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folder icon   11-21-2007, 01:31 AM
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"he wasn't committing terrorism. He killed bunches of people, but it's not terrorism. I hate how alot of people label terrorism to things that clearly aren't."

To me it clearly was an act of terrorism. Sure he thought the govt is out to get us all, and he's a liberator. That's what terrorists think over in Israel and Afghanistan. But the tactic was terrorism, and the message was clear - don't support or work for the govt, or I'll blow you up. Just like Kaczinsky was a terrorist. It was a fear tactic, misguided like all fear tactics.

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folder icon   11-21-2007, 04:15 PM
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so and so, do you get virtually all of your beliefs and ideas on how the world really is from Hollywood?

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folder icon   11-21-2007, 11:23 PM
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Mcveigh clearly wasn't using terrorism, it was mainly revenge. He had no political goal, this wasn't part of some strategy. It was a single act based on hatred.

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folder icon   11-22-2007, 01:56 PM
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Crusader, no it's just an incredible coincidence. I get most of my information from the Economist, although I don't believe every word of it. I don't believe completely in anything. I'm just building my views from day to day.

McVeigh certainly had a political goal. He wanted to bring down the govt, and thought this was the best way to do it. He wasn't acting singly either. There was quite a backlash in America after the fiasco of Waco, and McVeigh was a direct result. It had a strategy but it was faulty, in that his act hurt the movement he was trying to start. People decided that he and his ilk are crazy and the whole Waco backlash faded.

And all terrorism is founded on revenge and hatred, as well as political goals. To debate whether it was terrorism is really to mince at words, and is pointless. McVeigh's bombing was the greatest act of terrorism in America, period.

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The Economist recently published a colour supplement titled "In God's Name: A Special Report on Religion and Public Life" (3 November 2007). The accompanying leading article included a rueful admission: "The Economist was so confident of the Almighty's payday advance loans demise that we published His obituary in our millennium issue." There is an almost palpable sense of discomfort at a leading international journal finding itself confronted with the unexpected resurgence of religion as a newsworthy topic which merits serious debate.

Tina Beattie is reader in Christian studies, Roehampton University, England. Among her books are God's Mother,specialised technical translation Eve's Advocate (Allen & Unwin, 2002) and New Catholic Feminism: Theology and Theory (Routledge 2005). Her website is here

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The Economist recently published a colour supplement titled "In God's Name: A Special Report on Religion and Public Life" (3 November 2007). The accompanying leading article included a rueful admission: "The Economist was so confident of the Almighty's payday advance loans demise that we published His obituary in our millennium issue." There is an almost palpable sense of discomfort at a leading international journal finding itself confronted with the unexpected resurgence of religion as a newsworthy topic which merits serious debate.

Tina Beattie is reader in Christian studies, Roehampton University, England. Among her books are God's Mother,specialised technical translation Eve's Advocate (Allen & Unwin, 2002) and New Catholic Feminism: Theology and Theory (Routledge 2005). Her website is here


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folder icon   08-27-2009, 04:33 PM
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I mean our culture and society, post 1960. So what's your response to the finnish shooting? And, why did that shit have to happen on my birthday?
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So, I've been showing Bowling for Columbine to students in my classes, as a way for them to learn more about America (and why I left). Watching it over and over's got me worrying about all these topics, and I figure it'd be good to talk about it here. So without going into too much of it (I assume we've all watched it), let me just ask,

Why is America so violent, and why in specific places in America?


Well I read a year or two back about why people are escalating to these extremely violent out-bursts (dash, space, one word? dunno), it's what I'm going to call the connected effect; and basically it has to do with the fact that you are never away from your problems anymore.

It used to be you got teased at school/around town, or get beat up, or your girlfriend break up with you, whatever happened it happened and you'd be upset or think violent thoughts or want revenge then but you'd get home and you'd cool down because you weren't exposed to it anymore, hell I don't even think a lot of kids had their own land line. You'd have time to rationalize and internalize what happened, to process it and let your emotions work through whatever was going on without it being right there all the time.

However, thanks to the connected effect, which is the constant connection our population has too the internet's social sites, your cell phones, and texting you are constantly reminded and the pain refreshed making it difficult to overcome. For some people it's impossible the article said, they keep going over it and over it with friends, texting about it day in and day out, never getting over what happened. Or you get harassing calls or texts, or disgusting e-mails, or god knows what.

The point of the study was that the more connected people are the harder it is for them to leave a negative event behind, it builds in some people to a breaking point, and then they snap and the violence comes out, or they kill themselves.

Sure it doesn't explain Columbine well, but I think in general it is a good theory on the increase of violence and suicides in people, especially teens in general.

Honestly if they had facebook and texting back when I was in school I probablly would have snapped and done something horrible, for a long time I was in a really, really dark place and I hate to say it but I could have killed some of the people that made my life hell. I'm over it now, but if I was always connected I think I woulda lost it.

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I think the general level of bullying is higher in the US than in Slovakia, at least where I'm from. Maybe they just direct it all at gypsies...

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folder icon   01-20-2011, 02:41 AM
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Well, I do agree. First of all, the very name terrorist means someone who instills fear and terror in someone and he does not have to grow beard or anything like that to be called as a terrorist. Similarly, I do think what he did was certainly an act of terrorism!

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I think the general level of bullying is higher in the US than in Slovakia, at least where I'm from. Maybe they just direct it all at gypsies...
Well a society that worships all forms of competition, even embracing the negative aspects of it, is bound to have a more aggressive social climate.

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