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So whats your political orientation?

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Straight.




Oh, I mean, economically conservative, socially liberal, which translates into me usually voting as a conservative democrat. I'm independment by affiliation though(or lack thereof).

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I'm an instrumentalist. =D

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Ooh nooo! I didnt mean to make this.

Anyway ... Im a social-liberalist.

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I'ms liberal. Yeah, and with all the criticism about places like Canada, France, Sweden, and Norway, these places still exist, after decades of governance. They're not falling apart, although France has some racial/ethnic conflicts that have never been sufficiently explained to me.

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I'm an instrumentalist. =D

Amen, brother!

I would be independent, but I can never see myself voting for a Democrat.

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I think I would be classified as a flip-flopper, but quite far to the left according to American standards, and somewhere in the centre according to European standards.

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although France has some racial/ethnic conflicts that have never been sufficiently explained to me.
Well, I think it can be generally explained with the previous colonial empire, with massive non-white immigration to centre from periphery, leading to a heterogeneous and unstable society, especially in the suburbs.

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I usually stand corrected but some times i stand like this:




I am also a big fan of this one:



This is how i stand politically.


I think you will agree that this differs a lot from how I stand apolitically, wich is more relaxed,

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Quote:
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I usually stand corrected but some times i stand like this:




I am also a big fan of this one:



This is how i stand politically.


I think you will agree that this differs a lot from how I stand apolitically, wich is more relaxed,


Ah, I see you're a closest bisexual. So you must be a democrat, or a gayocrat as I call them. I might be mistaken though, you could a homoblican like Cheney's daughter.


It's interesting how in the U.S. we have so many moderates and independents, but no big third party. As a politician, one is way more successful running as an independent than a 3rd party candidate.

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I'm a social liberal and an economic leftist.

I think that the government should control all money (almost), but let people do anything they want that doesn't harm others directly (take drugs, marry gays, hire prostitutes, etc).

Government run businesses run well. I got into an argument with a conservative - he said all government run businesses ran badly. The best run, he said, was the United States Postal Service, which was run almost like a private business. Okay, the Federal Reserve isn't badly run. Okay, the military runs, more or less. The VA Hospitals work better than nothing. The National Parks and Forestry Service are well run.

So tell me again, what does that leave that is poorly run by the government?

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I'm opposite of Thorn pretty much. :p

Economically very much for free capitalism government interactions with the economy should be incredibly limited. Socially, a liberal conservative. In favor of the protection of many traditional institutions (anti-gay marriage etc) although very much open to racial and gender equality.

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If I had to break myself down into pieces...

I'm socially libertarian; I believe that the government should keep their noses as much out of people's personal business as possible. That being said, I'm pro-choice, pro gay marriage, pro gun owner's rights, and anti-warrantless wiretapping. I think that gives a pretty good idea where I stand on personal freedoms.

Economically I am for a free market, albeit with regulations (especially on issues such as international trade). Without regulations, a free market becomes the same exact thing as an authoritarian government; the only difference is, instead of an oligarchy of government heads controlling everything, an oligarchy of corporate executives controls everything. To the general public, the result is the same - a small minority holding power over the vast majority.
I also support the government providing basic services for all citizens, essentials such as fired departments/police forces, education, and health care. Free markets are great for economic and social progress, but certain things should be avaiable to all people no matter what their economic situation.

Foreign-policy wise... I think a nation should meddle as little as humanly possible in other countries' affairs. Plain and simple.

Oh, and religious opinions have no place in state decisions. Knew I forgot something.

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Practically I agree with Thorn, but ideally I'm something like an anarcho-syndicalist. The communist and anarchist ideals are exactly the same, and are my ideals as well, but the anarchists want to abolish the state first, and will wait for humanity to evolve, while the communists strive to acquire this by forcing people into it, for as long as is necessary, and only then abolish the state.

I'm not all for forcing people, because I like freedom, but waiting for evolution seems to be a bit cheesy to me. So a sort of active stance in trying to achieve this without bullying other people into it seems great. Shame it isn't working out on large scale. There are some known cases about syndicalist villages, factories etc that are working great, so I'm hopeful.

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Shame it isn't working out on large scale. There are some known cases about syndicalist villages, factories etc that are working great, so I'm hopeful.

But therein lies the entire difficulty. The problem with instituting such a radical change in ideas is that it is infinitely more difficult to implement on a larger scale, across communities with different backgrounds, values, histories, etc. Hell, in the 60's, America had Communes that were for a time relatively successful, but that was mainly due to the reason that a group of people all sharing one ideology were participating, rather than the same system being implemented on a national scale.

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So tell me again, what does that leave that is poorly run by the government?


Homeland security

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Quote:
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I'm a social liberal and an economic leftist.

I think that the government should control all money (almost), but let people do anything they want that doesn't harm others directly (take drugs, marry gays, hire prostitutes, etc).

Government run businesses run well. I got into an argument with a conservative - he said all government run businesses ran badly. The best run, he said, was the United States Postal Service, which was run almost like a private business. Okay, the Federal Reserve isn't badly run. Okay, the military runs, more or less. The VA Hospitals work better than nothing. The National Parks and Forestry Service are well run.

So tell me again, what does that leave that is poorly run by the government?


None of those things are businesses. Only the postal service is. You don't get profit from the military or the hospitals or Fed, they have different functions. Other countries who have state-run operations do poorly against their private counterparts. They aren't always poorly run, but things like state-owned oil or steel, etc. typically do horribly.

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Homeland security

I thought the right-wingers liked Homeland Security?

Anyway, two points:

I think that politics often seems to get in the way of homeland security objectives - I don't know if it helps to have a specific department of homeland security. FEMA has also been poorly run, possibly for political reasons. I think politics can seriously screw with the functioning of government organizations. The more independence agencies have, the better they tend to function.

Gaggin: I would not generally support the socialization of major industries. I do support the socialization of essential services. For example, healthcare and utilities should be socialized.

I was on a train the other day considering if train services could be improved by privatization. I think Amtrak may be top heavy and inefficiently run. Trains are in horrible condition, costs are often higher than for planes, and the agency runs at a substantial deficit. Of course, rails would have to continue to be maintained and operated by the government, but I believe it would be feasible and perhaps an improvement to privatize the trains - the Federal government is already giving about $500 million a year to Amtrak - I am curious what maintaining the tracks costs and would be interesting in investigating the potential to privatize the system. A similar principal, with government rule of the sky but private airplanes functions better than the rail system, I believe.

Anyway... perhaps my original statement was a bit too absolute - it was partially meant to be humerous. I hope you appretiate my clarification, Gaggin.

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Well, crown corporations in Canada have a long history and most are run fairly decently. In fact, because they are under voter scrutiny, they usually face far harsher rules than ones that must face shareholders. The rail companies have all done excellent.

In fact, all of the crown corporations have been privatized over the past decade due to the growing neocon sentiment to deregulate the market has ended in disaster. The electric generation in Ontario is in shambles and the grid is in need of roughly 50 billion dollars of repair. Bell, our telecommunications company, has been run straight into the ground being worth less now than BC telecom alone.

Businesses, like LCBO, the liquor control board of Ontario runs consistent and extremely high profits each year. There was a push to privatize it but it failed when it was revealed the business was ran better than almost any private company imaginable.

It's not a surefire thing whether a crown corporation does poorly or not but most of them perform amazingly.

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I want to be independent. I want to do my own stuff. Its hard to deal with different fellow candidates so id rather do it myself, the campaigns and stuff. This also lessens the comparison to other fellow candidates in your party. Aside from being independent I also want to be in a liberal party.

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I want to be independent. I want to do my own stuff. Its hard to deal with different fellow candidates so id rather do it myself, the campaigns and stuff. This also lessens the comparison to other fellow candidates in your party. Aside from being independent I also want to be in a liberal party.

Interesting. What exactly constitutes your "stuff" that makes it different from everyone else? And isn't being in a liberal party contrary to being independent?

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Basically, I'm a fascist. But I really believe in a system I've termed "democratic totalitarianism." In it a leader would be elected by the people, and he would make the law (efficiency). The legislative body would exist to check him with a percentage vote for a veto. This is basically the opposite of the American system. The terms would be longer (6-10 years), and there would be no term limits. After all, if the people like the way he runs things, then he should be kept in power. If he is becoming abusive with his power the legislature could remove him from office with a high percentage vote. Economically, I'm basically a corporatist.

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Basically, I'm a fascist. But I really believe in a system I've termed "democratic totalitarianism." In it a leader would be elected by the people, and he would make the law (efficiency). The legislative body would exist to check him with a percentage vote for a veto. This is basically the opposite of the American system. The terms would be longer (6-10 years), and there would be no term limits. After all, if the people like the way he runs things, then he should be kept in power. If he is becoming abusive with his power the legislature could remove him from office with a high percentage vote. Economically, I'm basically a corporatist.

An interesting viewpoint, although I think it would be subject to radical change and potential upheaval from leader to leader. If it would ever be implimented, it would cause the government to have too much power (bad in my opinion, less government interaction = good).

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The way that I look at it, it would make government much more efficient. I'm all about efficiency. Personally, I would rather have one person make a decision and then have people debate it after than have multiple people debate an issue and never get anything accomplished. It's not like the personal vote really matters when it comes to decision making in the United States anyways.

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None of those things are businesses. Only the postal service is. You don't get profit from the military or the hospitals or Fed, they have different functions. Other countries who have state-run operations do poorly against their private counterparts. They aren't always poorly run, but things like state-owned oil or steel, etc. typically do horribly.

Tell that to Norway.

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Government run businesses run well. I got into an argument with a conservative - he said all government run businesses ran badly. The best run, he said, was the United States Postal Service, which was run almost like a private business. Okay, the Federal Reserve isn't badly run. Okay, the military runs, more or less. The VA Hospitals work better than nothing. The National Parks and Forestry Servic

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