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Anyone here familiar with the works of Reinhart Koselleck or Fernand Braudel?

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folder icon   11-26-2007, 01:55 PM
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This thread brings back that terrible feeling that everyone knows cooler philosophers than I do.

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This thread brings back that terrible feeling that everyone knows cooler philosophers than I do.

Since when the world hasn't been full of weird philosophers that no one has ever heard of?

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folder icon   11-27-2007, 08:56 AM
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Anyone here familiar with the works of Reinhart Koselleck or Fernand Braudel?

ffs Fidel stop starting topics that has no message and are just mindless referrings to some high minded intellectuals. Not everyone here wants to hear about your issues with social sciences

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folder icon   11-27-2007, 06:46 PM
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ffs Fidel stop starting topics that has no message and are just mindless referrings to some high minded intellectuals. Not everyone here wants to hear about your issues with social sciences

What issue? He only spelled out some random name.

And when F00tman is telling you something that is that intelligent, it had best be heeded.

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folder icon   11-28-2007, 09:41 AM
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Nope, but do explain what Temporalization of politics mean?

And I will have an opinion about it.

My guesses are:

1. Words change meaning over time so retorical words like : Liberty, socialism and a " good citizen" must be viewed from its historical context.

2. That the governing party resides in power for 4 years at a time. Which is the best shit we got, but do represent certain problems on the focus of the president.

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folder icon   11-28-2007, 09:51 AM
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Searched a little and found this , if this is what you meant. Since it was the only shit i found with ...

”Begriffsgeschichte” (History of concepts)

History of concepts or conceptual history is a research area that has gained an increasing interest in later years. In recognizing that the meaning of terms are imbedded in cultures and are constantly changing, Begriffsgeschichte maps how a given word has been associated with different meanings. The insistence in a historical perspectives makes Begriffsgeschichte an alternative to positivist orientations. An example of a semantic tool developed in this tradition is Reallexikon der deutschen Literaturwissenschaft (Weimar, 1997-2003), which provide the following information for each term:

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The term (e.g. "bibliographie" (German term for "bibliography")
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A definition (e.g. definition of “bibliography”)
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A history of the word (its etymology, e.g. the etymology of the word “bibliographie”)
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A history of the concept. (e.g. the history of the meanings of bibliography)
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A history of the field (e.g. the history of bibliographies themselves) and
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A history of research about the field (e.g. the history of research on bibliographies, i.e. library science)

Such historically oriented dictionaries may, especially in the humanities, serve the searchers needs for semantic tools in a deeper way than, for example, thesauri are able to. (They may represent another paradigm in knowledge organization, a paradigm more related to a hermeneutical epistemology).

This is very interesting. Its like the mofo word trancend has like 3 different meanings in philosophy, which has fucked meup more than once.

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folder icon   11-29-2007, 08:45 AM
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Ah, in that case Im quite familiar with it, since its kind of like the "big thing" in the science of history nowadays. A part of discoursive analysis and post-modernism.

But seriously Fidel, if you want a discussion, please waste more than two seconds to write out any kind of base from which to debate.

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Sorry brothers. I haven't been able to participate this topic as I have been kinda busy with my studies.

But for the issue:

Temporalization of politics means that time itself has become politics. Filibustering in the house of representatives is a way to play time much the same way as one can in a game of foot ball (soccer). A goal just before half time is different from one made in the beginning of the game. In many parliaments legistlative initiatives have to be settled before the end of the term which gives oppertunities to filibuster.

Secondly, we have academicians like Koselleck who argues that the time conseption for the average Joe is very different than that of the early 20th century. The predictable time horizon has shrunk. The pace of life has accelerated to such extent that one can hardly plan one's life ahead for more than a few years.

Thirdly as Urin mentioned the language of time has changed.

Fourthly, and perhaps most importantly things like tight schedules, dead lines, calenders, time zones all that can be seen as hidden power structures that affect people's lives in increasing extent.

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folder icon   11-29-2007, 09:43 PM
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Fourthly, and perhaps most importantly things like tight schedules, dead lines, calenders, time zones all that can be seen as hidden power structures that affect people's lives in increasing extent.


How are they "hidden" structures??

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How are they "hidden" structures??

Perhaps not literaly but then again they are imposed to the people as self-evident and they are rarely questioned O_o

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Like Iowa in the US. Getting so much power?

Like seeing the darker sides of freedom, liberty & democracy?

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Perhaps not literaly but then again they are imposed to the people as self-evident and they are rarely questioned O_o


You know what else is self-evident?

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You know what else is self-evident?

That I should not have started this thread?

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No, the subect is interesting. Its just the analysis of time schedules as being imposed and accepted without question, that was self-evident. I mean, having said that about time schedules, what else can somebody say?

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That they are part of the uniformist foucauldian panoptical diciplinary structure of society?

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Holy shit you're doing it again.

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But seriously Fidel, if you want a discussion, please waste more than two seconds to write out any kind of base from which to debate.

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