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Ok, Israel is playing against Sweden in Davies Cup.

Now many wants to stop the match in view of the Israeli crimes against humanity.

This is following a tradition of Davies Cup matches with objectional countrys (Fascist Chile and Apartheid S.Africa).

The Municipality has decided not to allow spectators and nearby shools have closed down for security reasons.

How do you feel?

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Let people come and watch if they want to.

Israel/Palestine conflict is fucked up, and none of them are "the good once". Most of us are in a position where we do not need to choose sides. So why choose sides? We should be only be on the side of "the children" and "peace". Thats it.

Boycotting Israel or stopping this match is just silly.

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I think the most level headed thing to do would be to submit the israeli tennis players to a warcrime tribunal.

Then, if they didn't do anything (Wich no one is saying they did) they can play, no problem. and the protesters can also be happy since the matter will be investigated and likely frowned upon by the brussles people.

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Would a palestinian team be upheld by the same standards than the israeli one?

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Yes, Palistine is held to the same standards as Israel, only doesn't have any walls or road blocks, haven't killed 400 kids this year and doesn't generally maintain an aphartheid like state of affairs.

Truth is, this is some of the reasons that Palestine can't reasonably be expected to maintain a tennis team in that division. Wich they, like Norway, don't.

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Well they have fired like 8000 rockets at Israel.They want to kill, they only lack the brains to do so. Its not the willingness that stops them. They are hidinig military shit in kindergardens and mosques. Dressing military up as women and hide amongst the civilians. Making mentally handicapped people blow themselves up. Yes, both sides are assholes.

Lets be on the side of "the children" and peace.

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I think people react strongly in this way to make up for the collective guilt of the 1936 olympics.

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Yes, Palistine is held to the same standards as Israel, only doesn't have any walls or road blocks, haven't killed 400 kids this year and doesn't generally maintain an aphartheid like state of affairs.

Truth is, this is some of the reasons that Palestine can't reasonably be expected to maintain a tennis team in that division. Wich they, like Norway, don't.


Using the same standards as a metric, we'd have to come to the conclusion that the difference between Israel and Hamas is their ressources and capacities. Hamas is weaker, it is not moraly superior. Lets not confound weakness with virtus.

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I never said they where virtuous, I just said that they ain't playing.

This is condemning all the crap Israel has done and is doing.

If hamas had a tennis team who was playing in sweden and that openly stated their support of violent acts, then I would be just as much on their case.

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Okay, tennis is too particular. Lets look at all sorts of global sports... Let's think Olympics. Would you ban Israel from the Olympics because we're at a state of war? In that case, ban most of the continent of Africa since genocide occurs there left and right. Ban Venezuela because Hugo Chavez supports Colombian terrorist groups that hold the country hostage. Ban all fundamentally Islamic countries because women aren't recognized there yet as beings with souls and are treated as such. Oh wait, the entire Olympics were held in China, where human rights issues aren't exactly the biggest priority, and apparently are occupying Tibet.

But wait, lets single out Jews. Fuck off.

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Indeed. Scandinavian socialists ftl.

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Well, you did just kill 400 children the other month, Thats out of the ordinary.

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The entire conflict is out of the ordinay. And if you claim it is. it is not out of the ordinary when you look at the world.

How much is one palestinian childs life worth compared to your dog, a sudaneese child or loss of liberties.

The conflict has been going on for fucking ages. I totally understand that israel is pissed and tries a new method, that might look extreme from us living in peaceful Scandinavia. There is a question about who is " David" because its a david and goliath question. One huge and one tiny. The question is is it palestine compared to israel that is david og is it israel compared to the rest of the middle east.

8000 rockets have bombed israel. if hamas or whatever were capable of killing more. Would they do it? Hell yes!

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Well, you did just kill 400 children the other month, Thats out of the ordinary.

Counting up casualties is useless if you want to understand anything about a conflict. Crying over 400 dead children as if it means anything is what I expect my mom and her well-meaning friends to talk about when hearing about the news.

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Casualties is the only thing relevant.

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Hell no! If it was. A conservative religious totalitarian state would rock!

Concerning this conflict you got a huge number of people wanting to destroy the entire state of Israel and saying they do not have the right to live since they simply are jews! Probably the most awesome people in the world when it comes to inventing shit. The problem is that the people that wants to destroy Israel are uneducated sandniggers and don't have that capability. 8000 rockets kinda prove that. Even if they didn't manage to kill anyone with the rockets the hate would still be there and probably growing.

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Casualties is the only thing relevant.

Pretending that casualties matters more than anything doesnt allow you to understand anything about why and how it happened. Its only usefull if you want to reenforce a self-righteous holier-than-thou attitude.

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... or if you want to solve your cognitive dissonance issue by ignoring more serious and unpleasant problems closer at home. Take a look at this.

The municipality of Malmo didnt canceled the match, altough it probably wished it did. Instead, the municipality forced the Israeli Davis Cup tennis team to play in an empty stadium due to threats of violence by local muslims.

This issue has nothing to do about Israel's arguable responsability in Gaza. This is all about a municipality held hostage by its raging muslim population. The municipality wanted to cancel the match because they were rightly affraid of the reaction of its muslims, which compose 25% of the population.

MUSLIMS RIOT at Israel's Davis Cup Match in Sweden (Video!)

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Masked protestors clash with police outside the Baltic Arena in Malmo, Sweden, Saturday March 7, 2009. Dozens of anti-Israel activists clashed with police Saturday as they tried to storm a closed arena where Sweden and Israel were played a Davis Cup tennis match. (AP Photo/Drago Prvulovic)

Take a look at the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxX27Pe-AH0

Sweden also prevented an israeli martial art team from entering the country, following threats by muslim organizations.

Why continue raving about 400 dead children that have no conceivable impacts on your life or the lives of your relative, while mostly-foreign born muslims are free to rampage in Sweden against police forces with impunity?

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Rosengård 'growing more radical'

"Newcomer families who were never particularly traditional or religious say they lived more freely in their home countries than they do in Rosengård," the researchers write.


Muslims comming from North Africa or the Middle-east are finding Malmo's muslims to radicalized. How awesome is that?

By buying into the arguable rethoric of Israel's alleged war crimes, you're basically legitimizing the violent and unacceptable reaction of Sweden's radical muslims by caving to their demands.

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Those guys aren't muslims, they are autonomus leftists (with pronounced norther swedish dialect by the way)

Rosengård isn't 'troubled' I talked with dosens of people who live there and they say its all a big media scare.

We dont have a raging muslim population, the only ones to claim so are shaven headed right-wing populists.

'Pretending that casualties matters more than anything...'

Im not saying that casualties matter more than anything, and im certainly not saying that a conservative religious totalitarian state would rock.
There are a lot more to the conflict and a lot of things that would be similarly bad.

Im just saying that casualties is the only thing relevant to this demonstration.
We are not demonstrating against the conflict and not against anything else than israels murders and generally heavyhanded politics.

You can't just go about killing people and then expect people to let you play tennis like nothing has happened.

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The shit is Palestine and Israel are both fucking assholes. They are both responsible and they have both failed miserably. But then again, no one else has done any better with that conflict. There is no "good" side. That is what the lefties need to realize. The best thing and perhaps only thing is if the UN could take control over Palestinian areas and work with local government to fix shit.

"I'm just saying that casualties is the only thing relevant to this demonstration."
No. Your trying to save your ass and you know it. Scandinavian lefties treat Palestinian conflict different from any other conflict IN THE WORLD! In Norway a huge portion of the lefties vote socialist in the district elections due to friggin Palestine! The shit in Asia, Africa and south America seems to mean shit to them. Palestine is the uniting subject of at least Norwegian radical lefties.

WTF do you want Israel to do? tit for tat? Peace agreements? Haven't worked for friggin 50 years! Why should it work now? It is a continuing circle of hatred that fuckes everything up. The children on both sides are indoctrinated to hate and the world sends money, good wishes and demonstrates. It's so entirely fucked up I have cried of this mess.

There is nothing we can do. One day Israel will be nuked and then were all fucked. That's my doomsday prediction. Until then, e-hugs for everyone and protest for peace!

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Now you are just being negative.

Not all palistinians/israelis hate eachother. There are peace parties in israel and almost all parties exept for hamas are peace parties in palistine.

There is no good reason why this conflict couldn't end tomorrow if they just got together and kicked their respective extrimist nutjobs out of power.

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Ooooh that's why the majority voted for the extremists ...

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I don't think you should stop a sports match in that manner for that reason. It doesn't assist in the efforts of promoting peace. If you wanted peace, attach a peace message to the match, and say the match shows that cooperation is better than conflict.

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The conflict is not "ages" old, its 50-60 years old. That's not very old, especially when put into the context of human history. It can be resolved.

Remember, before any peace efforts were made, the zionists wanted to kill every last Palestinian in the area. That's radically changed by actively engaging them in the peace process.

You should take note of the progress that has taken place rather than the progress that has yet to take place.

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The Palestinians in Gaza voted for Hamas over domestic issues, not foreign ones. You would think that it is a large component of an electorate's decision but it never is. You're looking at it from an outsider's point of view where the only thing that affects you is what Hamas chooses to do outside it borders. You don't care if they build schools, provide clean drinking water, offer reconstruction assistance to people affected by the war with israel. You only care about the rockets flying out of the area and hitting residential israeli neighbourhoods.

America's election was never about Iraq. Obama sprung to victory over economic issues. Before him, Bush sprung to victory over social morality issues and Iraq didn't matter. The Afghan war in Canada didn't affect the Tories, they won on economic issues. Nobody gives a shit about the Iraq war in the British elections or the Australian one.

So, focusing on Hamas foreign policy as a reason to attack to the Palestinian electorate is a weak argument. That's like saying the Americans should have suffered the 9/11 attacks for their foreign policy of oppressing people in Saudi Arabia.

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I don't know the details of what is going on about these things that B~E is pointing out via youtube links and other super awesome research citations but if muslims politically protesting is wrong, I must be mistaken about my democratic right. I was under the impression, through other conversations, that you upheld the idea of holding these things in open discussion.

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The match should be stopped! You can't have a whole team of jews running around on a field who knows what could happen. They probably don't even have uniforms cause they're too cheap to buy them!
Kill them all that's what I say!

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Let imagine for a second, that each rocket Hammas shot at Israel killed at least one person, Israel would have 8,000 dead. That was Hammas' intent, after all. They shoot to kill, and suicide bomb themselves to kill by numbers, but they lack the capabilities of delivering their intent. But fuck they are trying. On the other hand, Israel has masses of big bombs that can, in theory, demolish and incinerate the Gaza strip entirely, but unlike Hammas' intention, all innocent lives taken is but an outcome of unfortunate mistakes that saddly occur at war time. How many times do people have to say Hammas is using women and children as warriors and shields before it gets through? They are using schools and clinics as shelters and armories. Is it that difficult to comprehend they're, also, playing foul? So what is inhumane? That Israel is persuing those responsible for terrorizing our country, or Hammas cowering behind their weak, so they can produce better headlines? You hear about dead. How about the tens of thousands of people living between one alarm and another and in constant fear that a rocket might actually hit, them, today. How about the countless thousands of people injured in the most horrific ways when some asshole decided to blow himself up at a shopping center. What about them? They're never the focus, but they're still living the result.

So I say fuck your prejudices, because this ban is tailored specifically for the Israeli-Palestinian situations, since no other contestants face estrangement. It's a fucking tennis game.

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This is not a special exeption, People protested against Rhodesia and Chile as well.

As for the conflict, just stop killing each other and you won't die as much, you stupid idiots.

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This is not a special exeption, People protested against Rhodesia and Chile as well.

Rhodesia and Chile ... nope. Not China and not Cuba. I have never seen a protest or protest march against any of them in Norway. Only against U.S. (Due to Iraq and Afghanistan) and Israel!
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As for the conflict, just stop killing each other and you won't die as much, you stupid idiots.

They tried that. But then again Israel has some insane tradeblockades that fuckes the palestinians. But when they are open Palestinins exploit that.

The wall works. For now. But evetually fueled by religion Israel will get nuked and then we are all fucked. Sorry, I do not see any other solution.

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Well, the protest waned some after they abolished apartheid and the junta got out of power. Israel still got a wall enforced apartheid, though.

Yes, nuking the region into dust might be the easiest way to 'solve' the conflict, but then the same can be said for humanity.

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Personally I have never heard of or witnessed that. Sorry.

Everyone argees. The wall works. If it was'nt there. The explosives of the 8000 rockets would be used to blow up children.

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Well, yes the wall works. As did the one in Berlin.Thats not the point!

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What is the point? And please don't compare apartheid and stuff to this uniqe conflict in history. I've gotten enough e-mails compareing it with holocaust which is insane!

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just stop killing each other and you won't die as much


That came off as real brilliant. I wonder if you'd dare say that to an Israeli or a Palestinian face to face.

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And please don't compare apartheid and stuff to this uniqe conflict in history. I've gotten enough e-mails compareing it with holocaust which is insane!


I agree that it is nothing like the holocaust, but it still does have some similarities to apartheid, like how people need passports to go to work and stuff like that. Palistine is just like the S.African homelands in many aspects.

B~E: I wonder to, I hope so.

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People need passports for going between checkpoints. Did that happen in South Africa? What else you got?

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