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I really don't want to sound like a racist here. I don't have anything against Indians other than what I am about to say. People seem to think they possess abnormal job skills when it concerns technology. Apparently these people have never called a Helpdesk line and were helped by them. Not only are they hard to understand, but I filed a couple complaints with companies afterward because they gave me wrong information.

Also, I used to work for a Helpdesk with a lot of Indians.. They can't do anything right. Dismissing their smell and hard-to-understand accent, they aren't productive. People complain they are here because they have skills us Americans don't have, but I know at least 5 experienced engineers who were laid off because an Indian wanted their job for less money *cough* Intel *cough*. If America really wants to get out of recession, this is one way to help stimulate the economy and encourage our people. We have plenty of skilld citizens already here. To my understanding, the work visa is supposed to be for people who possess outstanding and needed job skills which are in demand. From my experience in this industry, and according to the American engineers I spoke to who were laid off, these immigrants don't have the outstanding skills they should have.

Finally a Senator addressed this issue:

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily...1634_page_2.htm

What does everyone else think? Am I wrong?

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Hey, it was their land first I guess.

The main thing is that they are cheaper I guess, and that is in demand.

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folder icon   06-10-2009, 09:24 PM
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I didn't mean Native Americans... the ones doing this are the Indians from India.

They are cheaper, sure, but its not really in as much demand as people say. They are many capable Americans with the same if not better skills. Its cheaper for the corporations, but its not cheaper for all those getting screwed over because of the jobs they are losing, not to mention their families. With unemployment rising, this is just making it worse. The California budget crises is a good example.

Also, its making Americans have to accept lower salaries in order to not get laid off. So bottom line seems like this: get laid off, or get a much lower salary. All that for people who can't do their job all too well.

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Don't mourn, unionize.

Is the problem that they are willing to work for less or that people are willing to pay them less?

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Well that's the open market for ya. Unionize or sue. Isn't this america?

And no its not racist.

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i never understand them. like, ever. i always request to be transferred to an American call center so that i could speak to a hillbilly in Tennessee that i understand marginally better than Punjabi.

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folder icon   06-11-2009, 02:17 PM
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And no its not racist.

although, complaining about the smell is a bit edgy.

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Unfortunately for you, the same work visas they use are hte ones that America hires better skilled people with... soooo this is really more of an issue of abuse of the system. I get in on the same work visa they do, as do other canadians and europeans.

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Unfortunately for you, the same work visas they use are hte ones that America hires better skilled people with... soooo this is really more of an issue of abuse of the system. I get in on the same work visa they do, as do other canadians and europeans.


Yeah. I guess thats the word I was looking for: "abuse". They are abusing the system, and I'm glad a senator realized it and people are starting to do something about this.

And yeah, dimitri, I know exactly what you mean. It's very irritating.

Lol about the smell thing. I guess that is a little racist ^^;; My bad.

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I thought my wife was racist when she complained about the smell of gypsies... until I smelled them. The fact is, this is sometimes a cultural thing. If you go about anywhere that has gypsies, you'll smell their armpits. Not everyone, but often, and you do get the sense it's on purpose, almost an act of defiance - reinforcing stereotypes just as an "in your face, you don't like me and I don't like you either" kind of thing. Although, at the unemployment office, it may be more of a "feel sorry for me and get me a job" kind of tactic. Maybe they really don't have access to bath water. I don't know.

My cousin married an Indian who's a whiz with computers and engineering. His son started multiplication at the age of three. My son still isn't talking, although yesterday he said, "happy". The main thing with work is to get on your boss's good side and do a superior job. Then, you'll be the last to get laid off.

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I heard that gypsies actually has rather rigorous traditions when it comes to water purity in the camp site, I am not a scholar in that subject though.

I do know they are a favorite target of Italian and Hungarian facists, both on the streets and in politics. The current(I think) mayor of Rome banned them from the city. Facism was banned after the war but that doesnt seem to affect anyone, they even put mussolinis grandaughter in the EU parliment.

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I heard that gypsies actually has rather rigorous traditions when it comes to water purity in the camp site, I am not a scholar in that subject though.

I do know they are a favorite target of Italian and Hungarian facists, both on the streets and in politics. The current(I think) mayor of Rome banned them from the city. Facism was banned after the war but that doesnt seem to affect anyone, they even put mussolinis grandaughter in the EU parliment.


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Yeah. I guess thats the word I was looking for: "abuse". They are abusing the system, and I'm glad a senator realized it and people are starting to do something about this.

(I finally decided to read that link )

Not exactly, what the Senator is doing is straight up protectionism. You are more likely to loose your top line highly educated workers that America does not have anyone similiarly capable to replace alongside the cheap h-1b visa workers. In fact, you are probably way more likely to lose your most intelligent workers because they went into the country legitimately. Suffice to say, no country is capable of producing that many intelligent people and the H-1B visa program helps America shore up the problem.

Your issue is that companies have used the H-1B visa program to hire workers of poorer quality at substantially lower wages. If you cancelled the H-1B visa program, you'd get this massive brain drain... which in fact is already occurring. Microsoft has opened up an office in Vancouver and Google has opened up in Waterloo both because of America's hostile action against foreign immigration. You use to have amazing workers go to Seattle and San Francisco, instead they go to Vancouver, Toronto and Waterloo. McAfee moved all their development work to Canada, as did IBM. This is basically what the senator's policy is doing.

While I can understand the frustration at lower quality workers taking your job at lower wages that will happen regardless. You don't have h-1b visa program? Watch as companies hire retarded white people to replace you. (And trust me, it amazes me the kind of people American companies hire to do their coding work while i was working at IBM and their business solutions but then again they were getting paid less than half what i was getting)

Oh, also, another thing to realize. It's a typical cost benefit analysis. If you got 10 000 intelligent workers that are far beyond the American average but then also get 5000 cheap workers, the other choice is to have 15000 average Americans perform the same tasks. (With the visa program, those americans would do jobs more well suited for their skill set) You would have a stronger America with the H-1B visa program than without. There's always the ability to state that something should go to "true Americans" but in the long-run, clearly the countries in North America became strong because of open door policy to immigration.

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I hate black culture. If you're wearing a dewrag/basketball jersey and listening to your Ipod so loud that I can hear it 10 feet away while talking like an ignorant fuck then I'll probably hate you.

MAN THAT FELT GOOD TO GET OFF MY CHEST. ALL YALL NIGGAS HERD?

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I don't care about clothing or loud music, but I hate any kind of thuggery or chauvenism, which pretty much covers every youth culture, to some degree. And I wouldn't label that black culture, DJ. You could label it ghetto, hiphop, or some specific city, but black means more than that.

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Trying to talk sense into DJ now, are we?

As for the smell, deny it if you will but people of different races often smell different from each other. Not finding the smell very pleasant is not racist.

Anyway, here in Holland we have our own little job-taking immigrant people these days. I missed them coming up, but somehow all jobs that involve driving (cabs, trucks) were usurped by less money-demanding Polish. I never noticed. It someday, there were just Polish drivers all over the place. D:

Thank god I don't give a shit about traffic yet.

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for every white person wearing a dewrag I've seen in my life, I've seen 100 blacks doing the same. Also black people are generally poorer than white people which also contributes to the stereotype. But yeah man ur above racism so let's not generalize.

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because generalisation is ALWAYS bad.

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