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folder icon   04-29-2009, 04:02 AM
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This topic was brought up else where but I keep reading things in the News (Both Australian and New Zealand News) about how wonderfully bad we all are. That we are all drunken louts that love to drink and fight and drink and throw up and drink and fuck. About how the Government is getting tough on this massive problem, by (you guessed) raising the tax. Not by spending money on community groups, public health care, education, and other such programs... No, not that. But by raising tax and spending little to nothing on advertising.

Is Alcohol abuse a problem in our countries. I know that the media claims it is a problem in almost every single western country, I know that almost every single government in the western world considers it a problem. But is it all an excuse to make money... That is how the governments treat it. Its a bloody joke.

We hear about how binge drinking and alcohol has cause some young dick head to go out and rape some young girl. Neither knew what was happing because both were far too drunk... (this is a hypothetical, But it is also the type of dribble you read in the media) Now the kid is in jail the girl is still going out drinking her self stupid with her friends and the government has responded by lumping more tax on all alcohol and releasing an ineffective advertising campaign. (again this is only a hypothetical)

For one I am sick in tried of the price on my pints going up simply because some young idiots drink way too much because they think it is cool... Nor does it help. It just means the government likes to make money...


I am not saying that their are no problems. There are, there are in fact allot of problems in our (that is the western) culture and Alcohol. I should now stipulate that by western I am talking more Americanized rather then continental, I am not really that certain but I think you lot have the same problems. Maybe not as bad as ours but that goes to the whole 'I don't know and I am not looking it up till I have to'...

Anyway, If it is a given that there is a problem with the consumption of Alcohol, what are the problems. I believe that there are some health risks, but does that justify more tax? isn't prevention better then a cure?... I would argue that education for the young, rather then taxing the old would be the way forward...

Binge Drinking, is a problem to some extant... Lets face it, most of us have been guilty of 'binge drinking' and have never had issues or problems. The Australian government recently put tax up 300% on what they call 'Alco-pop' in the name of prevention... Did it work? No, people just start drinking other types of Alcohol. Who then lost in all this. People, young people, that were responsible in there drinking habits and enjoyed 'Alco-pop'. I don't see how anyone can but then there are people that don't understand my love of whisky or even beer... So each to there own... But is that fair? No.

The answer to the problems with binge drinking? well now that is a cultural thing, and there is no one answer. Education does help, starting at a younger age. Openness with in the family is another thing that can help. Community groups, such as sporting clubs and the like can help or hinder. There is allot of things that can be used to tackle the problem, both one thing that never helps is more tax. Certainly if you make it unaffordable people will stop buying food. No shit. Poor people stop supporting their families so they can afford the unaffordable. That isn't really fair is it? Wouldn't education and basic health care be much more beneficial to such communities?


All and all every single year the price of a pint goes up twice. It now costs close to 10$ Aus here for a pint. And every single time the government puts it up they blame the people that drink. I wouldn't mind so much if they just came out and said 'we are trying to make some money, fuck you and have a nice day'.

This is only apart of my very colorful opinion, what about yours? What do you think we should be doing to stop this raging beast that is Alcohol and it's horrible effects on our young? (really?)

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folder icon   04-29-2009, 07:56 AM
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any sales tax is regressive, meaning it's paid disproportionately by the poor. Sales taxes are unpredictable sources of state income, as they can fall right when a recession strikes, and the govt. needs to spend more. That's the extent of my knowledge. Anyone have a better idea for state revenues?

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folder icon   04-29-2009, 09:23 AM
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any sales tax is regressive, meaning it's paid disproportionately by the poor. Sales taxes are unpredictable sources of state income, as they can fall right when a recession strikes, and the govt. needs to spend more. That's the extent of my knowledge. Anyone have a better idea for state revenues?
I don't care about the tax, I don't care about the revenue collection. I care about the lie... I care about the problem. I care about the solution... As I said, I wouldn't mind the tax, if they were honest about it. And why Alcohol? this happens every year, even in the best of times. Why not, I don't know, Salt...

I wanted to talk about the problem and the solution, not revenue generation.

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They've done a salt tax before, it was quite damaging to social integrity and led to the downfall of the empires that used it. Mainly because it disproportionately hit the poor but they needed the good anyways.

I would need to have a statistical analysis by the government, which in Canada's case would be by Statistics Canada, in order to assess the scale of the problem. Otherwise, it's difficult to formulate a solution if the extent, or even the existence of the problem, cannot be confirmed. I don't know the age groups affected, I don't know the geographic locations to concentrate upon, I don't know whether it differs between ethnicities and I don't know the type of public disorder that is associated with excessive drinking.

The rage against alcohol always seemed like a remnant from Christianism but I've personally never seen, even in university, much binge drinking. I've seen a few people drink too much but since they were walking everywhere and with friends there wasn't really a problem. In fact, it was usually the most sober people having sex. That's just anecdotal though, so I really don't know if there's a problem.

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There was a story on NPR recently about legalizing marijuana. One of the people commenting online noted:

Ask any cop when's the last time they had to fight or wrestle with someone under the influence of pot (just pot, nothing else). More likely than not, they won't recall a single time in decades.

Then, ask them when's the last time they fought with someone who was drunk, and see them look at their watch.

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