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suck my fat cock. Draenei = win.

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Is it just me, or do the characters shown in the preview videos not look like Dreanei at all? Unless they're using the wrong models, they seem to have misnamed the Eredar. I swear those are Archimondes.

EDIT: Nevermind, didn't read the information.

I have to say, that is not a surprising twist at all. That's just a lame attempt so they can appeal to the gothy-pants.

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how that appeals to goths is beyond me. i think theyre badass.

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Whatever. I might give a shit about the new races if they were implemented in a way that didn't pretty much relegate them to being alts. Itíll be fun to see how many people attempt to reroll and then enjoy trying to catch up with two years of progression.

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yes BFL, im sure the game would be much better if they never, ever added any new races, classes, professions, anything else that has to be levelled up from the beginning, or low-level areas.

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yes BFL, im sure the game would be much better if they never, ever added any new races, classes, professions, anything else that has to be levelled up from the beginning, or low-level areas.

New classes and professions are not in the least bit comparable to new races. New professions can easily be skilled up by existing players and new classes, while they would be needed to be leveled from 1, they would offer something new. New races offer absolutely nothing new other than a few racials that probably won't mean much at all anyways. What you get with only new races, is people who have existing characters that have been playing/gearing themselves for 2 years by the time the expansion comes out not really seeing the benefit of rerolling just so they can play one of the existing classes as a new race.

I don't see how you think its possible to skip four raid instances of progression/itemization, hence why I said they would be relegated to being alts of raiders (the one thing I give a shit about in this game). So to answer your question, no the game wouldn't be better if they didn't add in new races/whatever, but it really wouldn't be worse off other than lacking new lore.

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New classes and professions are not in the least bit comparable to new races. New professions can easily be skilled up by existing players and new classes, while they would be needed to be leveled from 1, they would offer something new.
while i do actually agree with you on new professions, i disagree on new classes. new classes could not actually contain anything genuinely new that some other class couldnt do. why? because if it contains something new that never gets used, nobody will play it. if it contains something new that is necessary in some way, that means somebody has to drop their current character, go back, and level one of the new classes up from 1 to 60 or 70 or god knows what else so that the guild/raid can progress, and nobody is going to want to do that, except for the people that honestly would want to drop their main for the new class. the same people that would want to drop their main for a new class(whether it has anything genuinely new or not) are the same kind of people who will drop their main for a new race. perhaps they really like the racials(which have more of an impact than you seem to think--hence all the whining on WoW general; im not saying the whining is justified, just saying if racials really didnt matter, nobody would notice enough to whine), perhaps they like the feel of the race, perhaps they dont really like their current class and want to try one that the new race can play, perhaps any or all of the above or something else. not to mention if blizz goes through and adds race/class specific abilities to every race/class combo(like with priests), then there will be a much greater, genuine difference between races of the same class, which will add more reason to re-create as a new race. so you see, new races and new classes--two sides of the same coin. a new class might have some different abilities(though probably nothing genuinely unique or new), but youll just be doing the same old content for xxx race starting zone, save class quests. a new race might just have the same old classes, but you get new zones, new content, new racials, possibly new racial class abilities... its really about the same amount of 'new' when you add it up. new races are just easier to balance because the 'new' is spread among so many different things that are independant of each other.

as for the whole lore thing... the only part that bothers me is the 'dimensional ship' thing. blizz needs to clean that up quick or i am going to gouge my eyes out from seeing all the "OMG DRANAIE R TEH PROTOZZ WOW IZ AKTUALLY STARCRAF LOLOLOLOCARRIER HAS ARRIVEDLOLOLOL". if anyone is bitching about the whole discrepency between who corrupted who(sargeras and the eredar), you can cram it in your tightass-lore-elitist craw. thats a minor detail that has never been interacted with before in any previous WC game or novel to my knowledge. blizz can make small changes to minor details if they want, its their fucking story.

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Sure new classes could contain things genuinely unique and/or useful and if they did there would at least be reason to reroll/recruit new players of that class. I donít see that happening at all with new races Racials can be good and have advantages but I sincerely doubt any guild that is clearing Naxx waiting for the expansion to come out so they can race to 70 an enjoy the new 70 raid content is going to wait for someone to relevel and regear just because they want to play one of the nice shiny new races that have little to no impact whatsoever. I certainly hope blizzard attempts nothing similar to priest racial spells in the future because they are HORRIBLE at balancing out things when they try to make them equally desirable and unique at the same time.


Iím a raider, I raid, thatís about all I do. Quite frankly I couldnít give a shit about casuals/pvp/whatever as it doesnít concern me in the least. For those people rerolling a new race may seem feasible, for a member of a guild highly competitive in server/world firsts its not and thatís what Iím griping about. The raid population is large and I just donít see much of that population caring enough utilize the new races as anything but alts.

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...so youre bitching because new races dont add to your play experience as a super hardcore raider, when most of what blizz has added to the game since release(and quite a bit of what they plan to add, both upcoming and in the expansion), is pretty much tailored just for you?(and less hardcore raiders, though at a much later date)

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Uh yeah... thats what I just said. What's your point? That I'm not allowed to gripe and moan because blizzard seemingly caters to my playstyle and heres an example where they don't? Last I checked thats all casual players/hardcore pvpers complained about, content that didn't suit them. But when content doesn't suit raiders it becomes taboo to bitch about it?

Do I expect anything to change? Of course not, blizzard has a history of poorly contrived ideas that generally flop before they take notice/change things. While this probably wonít flop, I doubt the lack of representation of the new races as participants in new raid content is something blizzard is going to highlight.

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Dranei?? Meh . And yeah, I must admit, I find the lore behind them a bit...out of place...but then again, that's how I felt when I first heard of Night Elves in Warcraft 3.

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I'd love to see new classes. I hadn't even thought of that. Although there are warlocks, it'd be fun to see necromancers with multiple skeletons running around.

What else......

I don't know, I guess they actually have tons of clases already. Maybe some different kinds of spellcasters.

Maybe some sort of enchanting/imbuing class that just makes items all the time. some for profession/selling, and some only he can use.

I can't wait for the new races and places to visit, but mostly, I'm happy about the lvl 70 cap. I assume we keep getting talent points?

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I, for one, welcome our new Draenei overlords.

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I do think its kindof funny in a way.

The whole thing just reaks of scientology somehow.

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blizz can make small changes to minor details if they want, its their fucking story.

Hold the phone. I am positive I used that arguement for George Lucas when you were talking about Star Wars EU, and you shot it down.

Maybe it only applies when you like the outcome, huh?

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Read all posts in the topic before posting mister!

Does it matter anymore...?

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Hold the phone. I am positive I used that arguement for George Lucas when you were talking about Star Wars EU, and you shot it down.

Maybe it only applies when you like the outcome, huh?

show me the exact quote.

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Right, because that won't get me slapped with a 'quoting out of context' accusation.

http://www.forumsx.net/showthread.p...light=star+wars

That thread, right there. Read it for yourself.

Man, it's hard writing angry stuff in this color.

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Does it matter anymore...?

No but I beat you to it. HA!

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Right, because that won't get me slapped with a 'quoting out of context' accusation.

http://www.forumsx.net/showthread.p...light=star+wars

That thread, right there. Read it for yourself.

Man, it's hard writing angry stuff in this color.


And so a new alternate account was created... "Hate"

I don't see the Draenei's additions as being too much of a surprise. Admittedly I thought they were almost extinct and most definitely not a subset of the Eredar race, but y'know, the new "revelation" that they are is kind of cool. Just as long as there is a massive Protoss Carrier look alike slammed into the ground near their starting town and an NPC named Tass Adar, or some other such nonsense. On the other hand, if the Draenei and the Blood Elves have a space ship... they should have lasers, flamethrowers or some other sort of "Teh Uber" technology.

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I believe that this may be the dimensional ship. I may be and am probably wrong, because I can't predict Blizzard at all. When I expect them to do something normal, they do something mindblowing, and when I expect them to do something cool, they do something utterly mundane.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burn...es/art/ss14.jpg

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so youre saying that my being annoyed at George Lucas because he completely ignored an entire series of existing novels and rewrote the history of at least one character is on par with blizz changing a small detail in the history of WC that has never been in a novel or game, just a history THEY threw up on the website? get real.

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so youre saying that my being annoyed at George Lucas because he completely ignored an entire series of existing novels and rewrote the history of at least one character is on par with blizz changing a small detail in the history of WC that has never been in a novel or game, just a history THEY threw up on the website? get real.


Pretty sure its not JUST on thier site, its in a few books Im pretty sure.


And Love, TN, Anduru, whoever the fuck you are I dont know, but that sir...is a rock. It is no spaceship. Fact.

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Draenei look fucking sick. I'ma make one, maybe a mage.

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It's not a spaceship to begin with. It's a dimensional ship. So, it could be anything. Although I did post that before I read that parts of the dimensional ship made up Dreanei cities. So I don't think that now.

Also, P_B, that part of the arguement in that thread has nothing to do with what I'm saying in here at all. It's not about what was changed, it's about the artist's integrity and right to do what they want. Please stay within context.

You said that it's Blizzard's story, so they can change what they want. That is the arguement you made. Going by the same logic, Star Wars is George Lucas' story, so he can change what he wants. But because he changes things you don't want him to change, you say he can't, whereas Blizzard changed something you don't mind if they change. That has nothing to do with integrity or artists rights, this has to do with what you think is cool or uncool. Hence, you are a hypocrite trying to justify why you think someone else's opinion is stupid. Nothing more.

Now, I'm not going to hijack this thread any further.

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The dimensional ship is actually Tempest Keep. It was originally a giant fortress capable of travelling using arcane magic, an was invented by the Naaru, not the Draenei. The blood elves somehow took it from them, or something along those linesi. Either way, there won't be any Draenei running around with laser cannons and such, thankfully. Now I hope all them bnet kiddies can shutup about "OMGDRANEI ARE PROTOSS!!!1".

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Yeah, one of the previews said the blood elves had recently stolen technology from the draenei.

I suppose that's a good way to tie the new races together.

I like that this race, which we basically knew originally as demons, are devout worshippers of the light. That opens up a lot of doors for possible corruption of other races. I mean, of course, corruption of humans.

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It takes 13 days worth of gameplay for me to level a toon to 60. Maybe a month of 2 real time. During that time I can also raid content (assuming alls I do with my raid toon is that, raid) You of coarse can also use your raid geared toon to grind tons of cash/items for your lowly new character.

I Will make a blood elf alt!

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