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How many religions do you see that still preach that as doctrine? Whereas my religion has been against homosexuality from the get-go.

What do you mean by “ that “. Anti-woman equality and pro-slavery? Why don’t you? You were for it until like 150 years ago, and even though there are some theological loopholes your not pursuing to uphold the doctrines any more. Which is cherry picking.

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My religion does prohibit masturbation. In fact, anything that arouses those feelings of sexual excitement, save the situations for which they were originally intended, is prohibited. .

What do you mean by “anything that’s arouses those feeling of sexual excitement”?

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God does not make people who like, in this case, being showered in excrement. God makes people. Those people grow up and, through the course of the lives (and extensive experimentation) come to the realization that they like that. Same thing with homosexuals: God doesn't make gay people; He makes people that become gay. Blaming God for someone being gay would be like me blaming Him for the fact that I suck at basketball.

Are your comparing baseball skills with sexual desire? It becomes in many ways ”the problem of evil”. He made the possibility that humans/ animals can become “excrement lovers” that’s his own fault.


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ummm...yes it does. Sodom is where all that stuff was occurring. I guess "doing that thing that those people did way back when in Sodom" got too long.

And then were back again. What’s that stuff? It doesn’t say does it?


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ummm...no. Homosexuals that do believe in God generally don't believe that what they are doing is sinful.

Oh, so they believe sex before marriage is sin, and masturbation, but not homosexual sex? And if they don’t think its sin , there is a loophole , like with” Anti-woman equality and pro-slavery”





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and hehehe … sorry silencer. No I don’t remember, its starting to become to much.

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What do you mean by “ that “. Anti-woman equality and pro-slavery? Why don’t you? You were for it until like 150 years ago...

According to whom? Where does it say this?
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...and even though there are some theological loopholes your not pursuing to uphold the doctrines any more. Which is cherry picking.

umm...isn't that what I just said?
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What do you mean by “anything that’s arouses those feeling of sexual excitement”?

Pornography, self-gratification, passionate kissing, stuff like that.

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Are your comparing baseball skills with sexual desire? It becomes in many ways ”the problem of evil”. He made the possibility that humans/ animals can become “excrement lovers” that’s his own fault.

No, I'm comparing the processes by which they happen.
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And then were back again. What’s that stuff? It doesn’t say does it?

I...thought it did. Unless I'm very much mistaken.
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Oh, so they believe sex before marriage is sin, and masturbation, but not homosexual sex? And if they don’t think its sin , there is a loophole , like with” Anti-woman equality and pro-slavery”

How many religious gay people to you know? Nobody likes to think that they're doing wrong, so they either try to remedy their behavior, or rationalize said behavior and say that it isn't wrong. Everyone in my religion that I know believes that sex before marriage, masturbation, and homosexual sex are all sinful.

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ummm...no. Homosexuals that do believe in God generally don't believe that what they are doing is sinful.


Precisely.

And even if they believe that homosexuality is wrong, then they CHANGE their lifestyle, you just don't say "well this is wrong, but its cool I can still keep doing it and ask for forgiveness", Paul is VERY direct relating to a constant sinful nature.

I've tried to make it obvious that I am in agreement with you about not forcing things on people. I guess you keep missing it.

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My post was directed toward Urin.

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Ah. You quoted me. I was confused.

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and hehehe … sorry silencer. No I don’t remember, its starting to become to much.



All I was saying in my original point was a rebuttal to food, who said that humans shouldnt perform homosexual acts because animals don't do it, and I pointed out that there are many things that animals do that humans do not do, and vice versa.

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plus our closest living relatives in the animal world are the most depraved on earth. Pygmy chimps engage in orgies, sodomy, and pedophelia. They're sex addicts. They do it to say hello, basically.

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Stupid chimps.

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Stupid chimps.


I'm sayin'!

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plus our closest living relatives in the animal world are the most depraved on earth. Pygmy chimps engage in orgies, sodomy, and pedophelia. They're sex addicts. They do it to say hello, basically.
Like Japan?

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Just to get things straight you two (kil Crus). Post : occupation,and religion and sub religion ( like Methodist, Quaker, pietist etc) and if you take the bible “literate”.

quick search : http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm is very bias, and some are slightly out of context, but gives you an idea. (was my 1 click) but it gives you the passages you want, same with women : http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/women.php.

7.1

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Pornography, self-gratification, passionate kissing, stuff like that.

Would sexy clothing count as it like: 1 Tim 2,9 since sexy clothing can also lead others to sin. Why not wear something similar to the Amish or the conservative Muslims?

7.2When it comes to the acts that happened in Sodom and Gomorrah we don’t know what they did since the bible doesn’t say explicitly. If it does, please quote it, because then I have been misled. The only thing it does say is a vague connection to homosexual angels at best. And if it doesn’t mention scat fetish, can one do it within a man-wife marriage? How about someone with a sex change, born woman, become man, and another man can they have sex if it only leads to pleasure. How about the other way around? How about a man and woman, when the woman is no longer fertile or the man has problems semen problems. What about condom use?

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I’m very sorry, I just hang around Protestants, you have slightly different arguments and we have no demonstrations like these. I’ve also only discussed with like 2 Catholics before.

7.3 I assume you two (Kiljaeden, Crusader) are a few of the 53% of Americans that believe in intelligent design? I’d like to ask if you think its ok, to support movies, games etc that trivializes witchcraft, curses, possessions and damnation? Since you if you believe in intelligent design, you also believe in witches, possessions and talking donkeys?

7.4 I’ve met 3 Christian homosexuals. I don’t usually “know” many Christians since we don’t usually have much in common. 1. One lesbian Christian thinks its sin, and prays for forgiveness when she fucks up, the same way as others I know pray when they lie, steal, get drunk or whatever. 2. One of them hasn’t made up his mind yet on what he will do later on. He is gay, he knows he can’t change that, but he at least wants a man to cuddle with and nothing more. But he says he will make a final decision when he needs to. 3. The last one think the bible is not timeless and universal and the gay and woman and slavery part among others are culturally based, and views the bible for the time it’s written( historical critical method.)

7.5 Still waiting for the secularists you knows arguments for being anti gay. (Or anti gay rights even) (I’m not kidding, I want you to ask the once you know.). If they don’t have the arguments and are caught up in the question so much that they attend demonstrations, their ignoramuses.

7.6 Sum up: homosexuality might be sin. A lot of stuff might be sin, ( I believe it is if I am to look at it from the bible, but there are theological loopholes) but its up to the individual to decide through the help of the holy spirit, perhaps God even has a plan with it, their the once being judged by God alone. The congregation and priest are there to help religious people reach their choices and follow up. Going as far as demonstrations at a school when they don’t even have secularist arguments is as effective as Muslims making demonstrations for people to stop eating pigs, and will probably just do a lot worse, they should concentrate on the congregation instead. The thing is, that even with some secularists you get a hostile attitude towards homosexuals, which is baseless, like racism and “anti gender equality”, and its horrible to watch! I know what some of them have been through and I also know that 1 in 4 homosexuals in Norway have tried taking their own lives! That’s why I care!

Can you two sum up where you mean we disagree?

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Just to get things straight you two (kil Crus). Post : occupation,and religion and sub religion ( like Methodist, Quaker, pietist etc) and if you take the bible “literate”.

Occupation: Student, I'll be a senior in college in the next couple days. My major is history. Religion: Christian Denomination (i think thats what you are pushing at): Church of Christ. Basically the whole idea is a observation of the practices of the first century church (run by the apostles of Jesus) along with baptism=necessary for salvation etc. It is protestant in the fact that it is not Catholic. There is no Pope, no hierarchy, just elders, deacons, and preachers.

Also it is anti-instrumental music (no organs, pianos, orchestras, rock bands, etc) along with being very basic and close to the Bible. No creeds are observed, and we do not accept Mary as being divine, nor do we have Saints (instead, Saints are members of the Church as they were called in the New Testament). We treat the Bible as a spirtual, historical, and literal source unless scriptural context obviously indicates otherwise.

We do not believe in original sin, predestination etc. We believe that a person is saved when they repent of their sins, are baptised, lead a Christian life, and is granted God's grace. Also we do not believe the "once saved, always saved" we believe that people can fall away after baptism for a variety of reasons. Although these people can revert from sinful ways, ask for the prayers of the Church and rejoin the faith.
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quick search : http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm is very bias, and some are slightly out of context, but gives you an idea. (was my 1 click)

You are right, they are very bias, extremely (extreme is almost a kind word here) out of context, and mostly from the Old Testament.

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but it gives you the passages you want, same with women : http://www.ffrf.org/nontracts/women.php.

I was laughing as I read this site. Another one, totally feminist bias, and with more scriptures completely out of context. It's seriously laughable if you regularly study the Bible how people twist the words to their own usage. Unfortunately religious people have done the same to get their own ends. Humans are sinners, humans will do wrong. But anyway, it is funny to see these sites, they provide an immense amount of humor.
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Would sexy clothing count as it like: 1 Tim 2,9 since sexy clothing can also lead others to sin. Why not wear something similar to the Amish or the conservative Muslims?

What a good idea, why not indeed? Modesty is something everyone should learn.

"also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God." (1 Tim. 2:9 NIV)

Oh how sexist. Be modest? Decency and propriety? How such horrible restrictions! You mean women shouldn't walk out in public half naked? That is soooo evil of you to tell women to dress decently!

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7.2When it comes to the acts that happened in Sodom and Gomorrah we don’t know what they did since the bible doesn’t say explicitly.
Genesis 19:1-10 (NIV):

1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning."
"No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."

9 "Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

Is obvious enough? It wasn't just homosexuality that got the 4 cities were destroyed. It was for blatant uncontrolled immorality. Refer to Genesis 18 where Abraham pleads with God to spare the cities.
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If it does, please quote it, because then I have been misled. The only thing it does say is a vague connection to homosexual angels at best.

I'm not totally sure of what you are trying to say here.

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And if it doesn’t mention scat fetish, can one do it within a man-wife marriage? How about someone with a sex change, born woman, become man, and another man can they have sex if it only leads to pleasure. How about the other way around? How about a man and woman, when the woman is no longer fertile or the man has problems semen problems. What about condom use?

This also makes little sense, virtually all denominations of Christianity frown upon sex changes in the first place. I believe this would involve with altering what God made you.

The second point, pleasure sex, isn't put into the Bible as being wrong. In fact, I believe it is encouraged between married couples:

1 Corinthians 7:5: "Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control" NKJV.

Condoms are accepted in some congregations, against in others. Most people are okay with not attempting to not concieve a child, although if the child is concieved, then it should be allowed to be developed and born.

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I’m very sorry, I just hang around Protestants, you have slightly different arguments and we have no demonstrations like these. I’ve also only discussed with like 2 Catholics before.

There are a diverse amount of beliefs in protestantism. Most of the time you'll experience differing arguments between different ones.
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7.3 I assume you two (Kiljaeden, Crusader) are a few of the 53% of Americans that believe in intelligent design? I’d like to ask if you think its ok, to support movies, games etc that trivializes witchcraft, curses, possessions and damnation? Since you if you believe in intelligent design, you also believe in witches, possessions and talking donkeys?

Sure.
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3. The last one think the bible is not timeless and universal and the gay and woman and slavery part among others are culturally based, and views the bible for the time it’s written( historical critical method.)

Typical and popular answer for those who wish to twist the Bible/religion to what they want. It's been done in the past, it'll be done in the future.
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7.5 Still waiting for the secularists you knows arguments for being anti gay. (Or anti gay rights even) (I’m not kidding, I want you to ask the once you know.). If they don’t have the arguments and are caught up in the question so much that they attend demonstrations, their ignoramuses.

Half the time they don't give me arguments. They are just turned off by them I suppose. Although honestly, a person is entitled to their belief, regardless of how stupid or illogical they may be.
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7.6 Sum up: homosexuality might be sin. A lot of stuff might be sin, ( I believe it is if I am to look at it from the bible, but there are theological loopholes) but its up to the individual to decide through the help of the holy spirit, perhaps God even has a plan with it, their the once being judged by God alone. The congregation and priest are there to help religious people reach their choices and follow up. Going as far as demonstrations at a school when they don’t even have secularist arguments is as effective as Muslims making demonstrations for people to stop eating pigs, and will probably just do a lot worse, they should concentrate on the congregation instead. The thing is, that even with some secularists you get a hostile attitude towards homosexuals, which is baseless, like racism and “anti gender equality”, and its horrible to watch! I know what some of them have been through and I also know that 1 in 4 homosexuals in Norway have tried taking their own lives! That’s why I care!

Can you two sum up where you mean we disagree?


All true, you've said this about 3 times you know And I agree with you each time. haha

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Just to get things straight you two (kil Crus). Post : occupation,and religion and sub religion ( like Methodist, Quaker, pietist etc) and if you take the bible “literate”.

Student, Christian, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. On the subject of the Bible, we believe that the King James version is the most correct, but not completely correct. Some stuff was translated incorrectly, either by accident or by people who had other ideas in mind. Joseph Smith went through and made the corrections, sticking them in the back in an appendix.
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Would sexy clothing count as it like: 1 Tim 2,9 since sexy clothing can also lead others to sin. Why not wear something similar to the Amish or the conservative Muslims?

Yes. Mormons who are in even partly devout always dress modestly.
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7.2When it comes to the acts that happened in Sodom and Gomorrah we don’t know what they did since the bible doesn’t say explicitly. If it does, please quote it, because then I have been misled. The only thing it does say is a vague connection to homosexual angels at best. And if it doesn’t mention scat fetish, can one do it within a man-wife marriage? How about someone with a sex change, born woman, become man, and another man can they have sex if it only leads to pleasure. How about the other way around? How about a man and woman, when the woman is no longer fertile or the man has problems semen problems. What about condom use?

To what else would it refer? You have the word "sodomize", and you have the place called Sodom where people know that such immorality occured that it was destroyed. It's not as if the word and the meaning were just arbitrarily assigned to one another.
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7.3 I assume you two (Kiljaeden, Crusader) are a few of the 53% of Americans that believe in intelligent design? I’d like to ask if you think its ok, to support movies, games etc that trivializes witchcraft, curses, possessions and damnation? Since you if you believe in intelligent design, you also believe in witches, possessions and talking donkeys?

Yes. I realize where to draw the line between reality that's serious and quite possibly damning and complete fantasy created purely for entertainment.
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7.6 Sum up: homosexuality might be sin. A lot of stuff might be sin, ( I believe it is if I am to look at it from the bible, but there are theological loopholes) but its up to the individual to decide through the help of the holy spirit, perhaps God even has a plan with it, their the once being judged by God alone.

Depends on whether or not the homosexual in question belongs to a specific religion that prohibits homosexuality, in which case it's not really for them to decide.

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Must be short, and will be gone a couple of days. Made an evolution topic btw. I’m checking out the Sodom homosexual part with my theology friend. He’s the one who has misled me on the “gay angels in Sodom” part.

I’ve studied psychology and some parts of theology, currently studying “European history of ideas” (philosophy). Was a protestant until I was 16, and I believe we have no basis to believe anything else than agnosticism, but since its impossible to live a life as an agnostic I turn to atheism since its a lot more logical and probable.

9.1 You say the slavery part is mostly from the OT, that implies that it’s also in the NT, which means it’s a continuing opinion, and could be read as neutral or even pro slavery.

9.2 Everyone twists the bible. Everyone.

9.3 You say half the time the secularists don’t give arguments what about the other part when they do give arguments. What are they? (Ask them. I’m not kidding.)

9.4 “A person is entitled to their belief, regardless of how stupid or illogical they may be. Yes, as long as you have arguments, like you do with the talking donkey. But in most times I could not agree less Personally I believe they should be ridiculed because their claims are ridiculous. With your arguments the following people should be accepted? Racist, gender discriminators, people who believe in classes/casts? KKK?

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folder icon   05-13-2007, 10:51 PM
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ummm...*raises hand*...I...don't...twist the bible...

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folder icon   05-14-2007, 07:23 AM
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This is just redicoulus.

Homosexuality may be a sin, but so is all sexuality, reproductive or otherwise.

That was what jesus was sent to prove. he was born by a virgin, if you are born by any other way you are knee deep in sin from the very start.

Homosex is no bigger sin than having a cup of coffe if you look at the total sins of your life!

Attempting to avoid sin is almost like attempting to avoid gods will.

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This is just redicoulus.

Homosexuality may be a sin, but so is all sexuality, reproductive or otherwise.

That was what jesus was sent to prove. he was born by a virgin, if you are born by any other way you are knee deep in sin from the very start.

Homosex is no bigger sin than having a cup of coffe if you look at the total sins of your life!

Attempting to avoid sin is almost like attempting to avoid gods will.


ummm...no.

How is sexuality a sin? You're talking about original sin, something in which I don't believe.

Although having a cup of coffee is sinful according to my religion, it pales in comparison to homosexuality.

Attempting to avoid sin is not what God wants us to do: He wants us to avoid sin. He obviously knows that we are going to sin because we are not perfect, but avoiding it as much as possible is what He commands. Sin can be fixed with repentance.

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folder icon   05-14-2007, 12:16 PM
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This is just redicoulus.

Homosexuality may be a sin, but so is all sexuality, reproductive or otherwise.

That was what jesus was sent to prove. he was born by a virgin, if you are born by any other way you are knee deep in sin from the very start.


The birth of Jesus by a virgin was a miracle to prove he was God's son, not a testament to natural reproduction being wrong. I have no idea how you rationally came to this conclusion, but you surely didn't use the Bible.
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Homosex is no bigger sin than having a cup of coffe if you look at the total sins of your life!

What you say is correct. Being a homosexual will get you to hell, just like lying, stealing, etc, they are all sins. However those being "just" sins does not mean that it is okay. All sins are serious and deadly.
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Attempting to avoid sin is almost like attempting to avoid gods will.

I quote: Romans 6:1-11 (NIV)

"1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
5If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. 6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.

8Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. 14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace."

Read the Bible if you are going to argue against it.

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Ok, I know that part of it was a bit of a stretch,
but the rest I stand by, Havent you ever thought that some people would be better of gay?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRUOq8osh9c


"Be well assured, then, Trypho," I continued, "that I am established in the knowledge of and faith in the Scriptures by those counterfeits which he who is called the Devil is said to have performed among the Greeks; just as some were wrought by the Magi in Egypt, and others by the false prophets in Elijah's days. For when they tell that Bacchus, son of Jupiter, was begotten by Jupiter's intercourse with Semele, and that he was the discoverer of the vine; and when they relate, that being torn in pieces, and having died, he rose again, and ascended to heaven; and when they introduce wine into his mysteries, do I not perceive that the Devil has imitated the prophecy announced by the patriarch Jacob, and recorded by Moses? ..."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland...nds/5105946.stm

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folder icon   05-14-2007, 07:12 PM
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No. Nobody's better off gay.

Who the heck is Trypho? Are you trying to prove your point using Roman mythology?

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