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So, assuming we don't all kill ourselves in a global armageddon, scientists are promising a bright future. Anyone else watch Nova lately, or look up Michio Kaku on youtube? Let's see, here are some highlights:

1. Electronics that use synthetic diamonds instead of silicon.
2. Carbon nanotube cables, used to carry space elevators up into space.
3. Sensors in your bathroom that read your DNA and check for cancer, decades before you'll actually get it.
4. lab grown replacement organs, and gene therapy to extend lifespans and make us healthier.
5. I just saw a cool video showing how to reverse desertification. Holistic herding, apparently.
6. AI will drastically improve and robots will become commonplace, maybe in 50 years time.
7. Nanotechnology will be really big in a couple hundred years, with materials designed at a molecular level and microscopic, replicating robots leading to smart/programable materials. Even replicators like they had on Star Trek.
8. Extinct species will be brought back to life, some for zoos, some to live in the wild.

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folder icon   03-16-2013, 08:02 AM
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Will humans start behaving then? Living for 200 years in good health can't be combined with reproducing like rodents.

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folder icon   03-16-2013, 09:31 AM
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Good question! The trend among advanced societies is to have just 1-2 children. So there's hope! The major problem is finding new sources of energy, but it seems with solar towers, new forms of batteries, and even solar panels in space, tethered to space elevators, there's hope.

Another issue - once carbon is released into the atmosphere, it stays there over a thousand years. So, whatever effect it has on our climate might be irreversible.

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folder icon   03-17-2013, 07:45 PM
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There are issues to over come with all of this.
Some that I can think of with out putting too much thought in to the problem.

'4. lab grown replacement organs, and gene therapy to extend lifespans and make us healthier.' - This would require more and more stem cell research etc. This is a long long way off.

'6. AI will drastically improve and robots will become commonplace, maybe in 50 years time.' - Everyone has been saying this since the 1950's. You never really know but I am not going to hold my breath.

'3. Sensors in your bathroom that read your DNA and check for cancer, decades before you'll actually get it.' - At best guess it is only about 30% DNA 70% environment. DNA should be thought of more as a set of possibilities or probabilities in relation to a given environment.

I don't really want think so I am going to leave my pessimism here, I wont be back to pick it up again.

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folder icon   03-21-2013, 12:00 AM
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1. On organ generation, here's a video to give you some idea of where we're headed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SfR...player_embedded

Since that video, they've regenerated a mouse heart and successfully transplanted it into a mouse.

2. The AI info is according to Michio Kaku. He says right now the smartest robot on earth is about as smart as a cockroach. He says it'll take about 20 years to get a robot as smart as a mouse, and then another ten to get it as smart as a cat. Then another ten or so to get as smart as a monkey. If we live into our 70's we may live to see that.

3. True, DNA only determines some diseases, not all. But it'll definitely help. And the technology for this already exists, it's just expensive. But in future, it'll get cheaper and cheaper. Michio says in five years it'll cost about a grand, and in ten years it'll be a little machine you can buy for a hundred bucks. We'll see if he's right.

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folder icon   03-21-2013, 03:07 AM
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Every time I come here I get sucked in to thinking again. I need a shoot of vodka.

First, it is one thing to grow a mouse, pig or monkey heart and transplant it. The overly religious tend not to care, not even most animal lovers are overly caring. The reason is that animal stem cell, fetuses etc are rarely if ever considered sacred. When you start doing the same with Human cells, DNA, fetuses and etc is when you start to get questions of ethics, morality, divinity. And all that other shit special interest groups that fund politics concern them selves with. Just because we can do it to an animal does not mean we will do it to Humans. Not in the near to mid future anyway, and that being my probable life time is all I am considering.

Second, I feel I should be insulted on the behalf of cockroaches everywhere. It all depends on the type of robot you are talking about. One could argue that they are all ready all around us in the form of smart phones with speech recognition, or self guided vacuum clearers. Self parking cars are here already. As for the predictions of of what AI will bring us, I would reiterate my pervious point.

Third, Cancer is not one of those diseases. You would have done better with Huntintings or one such other. Everyone goes to cancer because it has the highest scare factor.

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folder icon   03-21-2013, 07:03 AM
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Cancer isn't one disease, it's a collection of many assorted growths and such with a variety of causes, many of which spread and grow in similar ways. Some forms of cancer are produced from viruses, and some may have genetic predispositions, etc. I'm no expert, I'm repeating what an expert said.

As for organ regeneration, watch the video. It said nothing about stem cells, if I remember correctly. It's all about 3D printing, adding blood vessels grown in a lab from a culture taken from the patient, and then transplanting it. They've already been successful with bladders, and they're working on more complex structures, like livers, hearts, and kidneys. They have an artificial kidney that produces urine, they just need to improve it - shape, strength, rate of production, etc.

Michio Kaku videos:
programmable matter, invisibility cloaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGHKHmOUWb0
nano batteries: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PewMgx753G0

holodecks and wifi-contact lenses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJVFRodUJM8

future of computers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm6ScvNygUU

fusion power: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gRnezJNFro

aging: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV3XjqW_xgU
and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsHuGQieyjY

ressurecting extinct animals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c-EWSmOgDc

AI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPVOPzYiCeg

possible ways to collapse civilization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTi4v3HveqE

Here's a longer video about the year 2030: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219YybX66MY

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folder icon   03-21-2013, 11:24 PM
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I never read 'bout no future.

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folder icon   03-25-2013, 09:55 PM
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You are dead on with Cancer, the term Cancer refers to almost all unregulated cell growth. But the question is how much does DNA predispose one to any condition related to the unregulated growth of cells causing damage and death. i.e. Cancer. The answer remains not a whole hell of a lot. As apposed to Huntington's which is a genetic disorder.

The idea that you could simply scan your DNA and combine with heath and lifestyle over the corse of years then give an accurate prediction of the likelihood of Cancer development is not going to tell us anything we don't already know, if you are fat, smoke, consume large amounts of alcohol etc you are going to have a very high likelihood of development.


You remembered incorrectly around 14:55 he states that for larger complex organs such as hearts that they still need stem cells. Although I will admit that the kidney production is promising.


At the end of the day I have a lot of respect for Michio Kaku and his work in theoretical physics. I just disagree with the time frames he is proposing not so much if it will happen. The biggest threat to the rapid expansion and exploitation of any giving technology is fundamental understanding of the general populous, and/in regarding it's competition with traditional and conservative held views.

Unfortunately I do not believe that society on a whole is as enlightened and adaptable as Michio Kaku would like to believe. Hence I strongly disagree with his time tables. In the life time of my Child? I really do have hope Persephone will be witness to some of these predictions but I would say more her children's children.

By the way we are coming over to Slovakia some time in September for about a week, we should meet up and have a vodka.

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folder icon   03-26-2013, 01:27 PM
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Hell yes, we'd love to have you all over! Definitely come!

Yeah, a lot of what Michio is doing is political. He's trying to garner support and funding for all these good ideas - he's showing the timetables we could have if we really put in the effort it deserves.

And, of course, it's undetermined we humans are smart enough to do that. History tells us... well, yeah. We're not so smart.

On the cancer thing, at 25:20 he explains that it's not simply reading your DNA, but the toilet that analyzes your poop will see there's proteins created by cancer - a colony of as small as a hundred cells. so it'll find the very early stages of cancer that still take many years to develop, saving you from operations and spreading disease, etc. Apparently, cancer cells release specific proteins that can be detected.

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folder icon   03-27-2013, 06:51 PM
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I had typed out a response but my silly internet dropped when trying to post it...

Summery:

-Having one cell of Cancer is still having Cancer, it may take years or even decades before symptoms appear.
-Just because you don't have symptoms does not mean you don't have the disease.
-I agree catching it early saves lives, that is why we have mammograms and prostate exams. But you do not need to scan your DNA in order to detect or even calculate the probability of getting [type] of Cancer.
-So you are not then talking about detecting the probability of a disease years out from getting it, you are detecting it when you already have it in its extreme infancy. Which would save lives just as mammograms and prostate exams do. Assuming that its not a false positive/negative.


If you want to make change and push the progression of science. Join the
Dwakins Foundation for Reason and Science. or some other organize secularist movement.



We will be in Slovakia from the 30th of August till the 4th of September I think. We are going to Christen Persephone in Sucha Hora at the 1000 mass on the sunday, you are welcome to come and join us for lunch after Although please let us know if you are going to come because we have to sort out the lunch booking. It will be in Vitanova. Or we could meet up in Zakopane or you are welcome to come with us to Auschwitz assuming you don't have work. We are not certain when we are going but most likely the Monday or Tuesday.

Let me know what you think.

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I'll be working around then, assuming I don't get laid off. Rumor has it around 6 teachers will get the sack this June. But, if the christening is over the weekend, we could come. I've always wanted to go up there and see what it's like. I'll talk to my wife.

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So, Google has announced the Google Glass! Looks like wireless internet glasses are coming sooner than you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rie-hPVJ7Sw

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