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folder icon   05-19-2003, 04:43 AM
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I have gotten no PMs from the so called 'New Age Horde' members asking me to join them. On the other hand, I have received no less than 4 PMs urging me to stay in the WDP from Azure, Grot, Paladin, and FLameburst. To me, this is what a good clan should be all about- sticking and working together.

Grom, Slayer, Thrall...I thought more of you guys. The fact that you'd just leave the WDP even before the game has reached the Beta seems to me as though you really had no interest in the clan at heart. For all you know- this may not even be how the game ends up! And here you are starting a new clan...

I used to think that B~E was wrong calling us immature, but maybe he was right to a degree.

I don't plan on leaving the WDP. At least not yet. The game is still a long way off and to leave right now seems a little brash. I urge you Horde Zealots who 'left' the WDP to stay. Have faith in our leader- Gunny. He's the emperor for a reason, and given more time, I'm sure some sort of system can be worked out with the aid of the council, even IF this problem remains. Granted some things such as a treasury and blacksmith for the WDP idea may not work, but that isn't a good reason to just disband like that...

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I'm dissapointed, warrior.

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Grunt my respect for you has gone up to its highest standings. Not only have you defended WDP...but you also have gone against your race and your peers for the better of the clan.

May you always live on the field of glory and blood. I shall be there with you waiting for your every order.

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I won't leave WDP yet. Maybe they'll change that stupied Horde VS. Alliance system. C'mon people the games is only at Alpha! And -G R U N T- don't still leave WDP. I'm and orc player too, and you sayd that join WDP. It's not the end of world yet.

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folder icon   05-19-2003, 06:47 AM
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I'm dissapointed, warrior.
Haha, I had a feeling you would be .

Crusader- thanks. But remember, this really wasn't an easy decision. In fact, I was especially tempted to join my fellow Horde Zealots...but I figured that there's hope for the WDP. Also note that I said: 'at least not yet'. I may just leave the WDP, but unlike those other Horde Zealots, I'm willing to give WDP a chance. In fact, that's what I urge the Horde Zealots to do- come back into the WDP and give it a chance, like what I'm doing. Heck, maybe even try playing for a while under whatever system we come up with. Only if it doesn't work, should you create your clan. And if indeed it doesn't work, then I will have no choice but to join.

Grom, I realize that you have had experience with DAoC, but World of Warcraft, despite its similarities, is still a different game. Blizzard hasn't CONFIRMED that what they said will be implemented in the retail version, and perhaps it might be changed. Furthermore, I'm sure Blizzard still has lots of tricks up their sleeve. I'm sure that there will be many things in the beta that will take us all by suprise.

Have hope.

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I have to agree with G R U N T , that many people have lost hope, and they shouldn't because its not even confirmed.
Anyway, I don't know why all you people left to join Grom's Clan but if its because you think all of the horde is no their side, remember some of the horde players are still with WDP such as: Me, Azure, Grunt,P-B( and Mason is going to play as a Tauren).

z00t!

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Yay -G R U N T-!!!! *gives GRUNT a cookie* Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!! *does a little monkey dance*

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*eats cookie* Mmmmmmmm, coookies ^^.

Grom- I think it's fair to say that you didn't PM me because you'd rather talk to me in person, but I was just really moved by the PMs that I got . As much as I love Orcs, and would love to join your clan, these are my friends too, and I want to stick by them . C'mon Grom....what happened to what you said about being loyal to Gunny? It seems to me that you're not even giving him a chance!

EDIT: I'm not saying that you guys (Grom, THrall, Slayer) aren't my friends. SUre you are. BUt I thought we were all in the same boat! That is, you were also friends with Gunny, and the rest. I know you have some grudges against people here in WDP (like Majin), but I also know that you respect people here as well. YOu have no moral qualms about walking out on those people who you respect?

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, z00t?

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*eats cookie* Mmmmmmmm, coookies ^^.

Grom- I think it's fair to say that you didn't PM me because you'd rather talk to me in person, but I was just really moved by the PMs that I got . As much as I love Orcs, and would love to join your clan, these are my friends too, and I want to stick by them . C'mon Grom....what happened to what you said about being loyal to Gunny? It seems to me that you're not even giving him a chance!

EDIT: I'm not saying that you guys (Grom, THrall, Slayer) aren't my friends. SUre you are. BUt I thought we were all in the same boat! That is, you were also friends with Gunny, and the rest. I know you have some grudges against people here in WDP (like Majin), but I also know that you respect people here as well. YOu have no moral qualms about walking out on those people who you respect?


I consider gunny a friend, and i respect him a lot. But as a zealot we are one and we act as one, Orcs stick together.

also i didnt PM u cause i also wanted to talk to u more 'personally' and now that i have ur AIM SN FINALLY U GOT IT!!!! we can do that.

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I consider gunny a friend, and i respect him a lot. But as a zealot we are one and we act as one, Orcs stick together.

*Nods*

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Still man i have to hand it to you, your a whole lot more sensible orc than they are...you know that whatever your decision is i won't be mad if you leave...because you actually thought hard about it.

And hey, who says they wont work things out...i really doubt that racial boundries will be set for players...things just wouldn't work out smoothly.

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I'm glad to hear it, Grunt. I think the WDP is still strong enough, and in the end, it's only a game. However interactive this game gets with other players, it's still self-focused. Besides, we'll need a night watch for us on that side of the globe.

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Still man i have to hand it to you, your a whole lot more sensible orc than they are...you know that whatever your decision is i won't be mad if you leave...because you actually thought hard about it.

And hey, who says they wont work things out...i really doubt that racial boundries will be set for players...things just wouldn't work out smoothly.


Sensible? Learn the situation first, then try to rationalize.

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the situation is there may be certain areas where pvp based on faction is open - in which we'd probably be fought by a bunch of people we wouldn't want to deal with. If we simply avoided these places, we could walk together as a group, just fine. In cities and such, guards may attack opposing factions, but all we have to do is have certain characters avoid certain cities. Af for the Guild names and logos, that's not complicated either - just have 2 in name, and one in practice. You could even have identical logo pictures. And we'd all post here like normal.

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GO GRUNT! the WDP just wouldn't be the same wityhout ya..or some other nice peeps

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Sensible? Learn the situation first, then try to rationalize.

When someone is able to suck up some guts to go against some peer pressure, that person is not only wise, but sensible...giving others a chance...unlike you.

Rationalize? I won't do that until you start Grom. Your complete arrogance and blind ignorance has caused you to leave in a place where you had great power...but great power comes with responsibilities, obviously you couldn't handle that.

Hey, i thought i knew you...you seemed to be someone who i would follow. You know, i thought i had you pinned. I mean sure he can be a real jerk sometimes, but atleast you know where he stands. Guess you live and learn.

Now away to your little Horde, you have no place among us now.

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Now away to your little Horde, you have no place among us now.


Ouch, that was supposed to be insulting? maybe demoralizing? lol ...get off it

anyway keep on throwin' the nancy shit our way hardass, maybe it'll add up

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would both of you please stop it - you're just hurting both clans by widening the gap between us. different people want to play the game in different ways. I support that over all - even if I am a bit offended by certain people's "tude"

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Ouch, that was supposed to be insulting? maybe demoralizing? lol ...get off it

anyway keep on throwin' the nancy shit our way hardass, maybe it'll add up


Im glad you like my ass.

Sure it will add up. But im really surprised how blind and oblivious to true facts you people are...

Oh and explain why you are here anyway...

And SaS...i respect your objection, but i will not be denyed. Their leaving was faulty and stupid...they have no idea what it has impacted upon our clan. Especially what it has impacted upon me since i used to respect Grom, Slayer, and Thrall. To see them demoralized to this is sickening. They need understand that there will be no such thing as forgiveness in my eyes for them.

I just need to put my point across.

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I agree with Grunt but... The ones who left are not to be looked down apon in any way they are still the same people just another clan... what is, is let it be. But i must say i was surprised to see people leave... we coulda negotiated something out like perhaps have 2 parts to this clan!? It is not hard to organize another branch to this clan sure we have a lot but one more wont hurt use

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I'm with Paladin, Crusader. Although their leaving is saddening, and I am trying to convince them to at least stay, if we have the honor which we speak of, we will respect their adamant decision to leave, just as they shold respect us.

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i find it idiotic and senseless to leave versus trying to find a creative solution to stay. given that they turned to a childish behavior and up and left, i say we are stronger without them.

personally i would rather have clan members who desire to oppose adversity, than run away from it. a nice show of character we were shown here, even if "other reasons" have come into light. that's my take on the matter.

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