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Simple questions: which maps do you seem to do the best on, and which ones do you seem to struggle with?

Personally, I absolutely hate Stromguarde. I, like, hate it with a passion. Maybe because its big and you can't really be aggressive on it. Although I won a few games on it today, I have been going thumbs down on it lately.

My best map is probably Scorched Basin. I think I have an 80 percent win percentage there, although its like 20% on Strom. I don't know why I do so well on it. Maybe because its a very wide open map, good for creeping or for an early attack. On all other maps I go essentially 50% which makes sense cuz my overall winning percentage is about 50% overall on both of my accounts.

Favorite map would have to be either LT or Gnoll Wood. Granite golems own your bones.

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I absolutely hate LT. It's the worst map in the entire game. It's way too structured, you always know where your opponent is, and it's not even pretty. I don't know exactly what makes it so bad, but it feels like I'm playing a turn-based game instead of an RTS, it's so played out.

My favorite map is Drywater Gulch for FFAs. If you don't know why, then play me...

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I don't think LT is the best map, but I'm definetaly best at it. The one map I HATE is Plains of Snow. I always lose there.

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I like the "wierd" maps where people have trees preventing direct attack or bases 2 inches away from each other.......stuff like that

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Plunder Isle. My favourite map, hands-down.

Look at my stats on plunder isle and er.....ignore the other maps . I hate the limited 'thumbs down' thing in FT! I liked playing exclusively on plunder isle .

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LT is by far my favorite map cause its just perfect. There are alot of creeps and they gradually grow in difficulty. There are lots of expansions incuding naturals which are close and corners that are harder to get to. It really doesnt favor any races. It has a well of healing so orcs have a place to heal their grunts early on. Its also small enough to harrass alot but enough places so that you can hide expansions and have to scout alot.

Least favorite map is stromguard. It is so freaking big. It has 1 entrance to bases which promotes turtling. The creeps go from a few easy ones to all very hard ones so you have to kind of take a break in between creeping. You get a free expo practically as there is one entrance to that and its the same as your base entrance. Also I believe that this map favors humans because using defend allow them to creep all of the hard creep alot faster than the other races.

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What does defend let human creep? All the nasty creeps on there are chaos damage, and their spells(lightning shield, frost nova) are anti-melee/small units.

Also, you can turtle on any map you please Remember those guys we played on LT who made solid walls of cannon/spirit towers across their bases? But since turtling never works, it doesnt matter what map people try to turtle on, because theyll die anyway.

And in lvl 10+ FFA's, maybe 1/10 of the people turtle anyway Its only newb teams that try it.

And as far as the free expo goes, Its not that free at all. Its still vulnerable to a rush(you can use your early resources for an army to get the expansion, or 50 towers, but not both at the same time)



And speaking of favored races, LT lets humans massacre every natural, 2 of the middle camps and makes the pool easier to kill, and helps a lot with the merchants and the mines behind the merchant!

So humans have a definate advantage there, moreso than they have on stromgaurde at least.

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On strom those most of the big creeps do priercing damage and LS can be easily microed out of. I used to play that map alot in my early days with human just cause I could creep way faster than everyone else with defend. Who does chaos damage on the map anyway? As for LT all the piercing damage creeps are wimps the big creeps are melee. On LT the only real play I would use defend while creeping is the middle pool. Think about the other races on LT. DH and BM/FS can solo the middle ranged creeps and can take out the natural expo creeps easy. The UD can take out their natural with 4 ghouls and a dk and come out barely injured. If LT favors anyone creeping its ud because of the huge amount of creeps and the many smaller creep camps. I really dont see how defend helps on LT. Strom you can creep so many creeps with defend. If I remember right there are alot of creep groups with a lvl 8 and 2 lvl 5 guys and they all do piercing damage. Imagine how hard it would be especially ud and orcs to creep on strom. Orc have no early healing (they do on lt with the pool) so it hard for them to creep hard. UD has many small units that are hard to keep alive vs such big creeps until their heros have lvled a bit and they have bigger armies. NE can handle the creep because of moonwells but they can't creep near as fast as human cause the wells dry up and they have to go back every time.

EDIT: I just checked and the lvl 8 creeps do chaos damage. Even still you are able to focus on him and take them out very fast as compared to any other race.

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I used to play that map alot in my early days

Ya...... When they didnt do chaos damage. Now, every large creep on there that has enough damage to worry about it chaos. Sure you can use defend against a lvl 2 gnoll, but dont expect it to be any good against any decent sized unit on there. As someone who was playing that map right up until beta started, I can tell you that LT is a lot more human favored than it is It anything, its anti human because humans ussually dont have early game healing, and foots get chopped up by the creeps very easily.

And ya its easy to micro out of LS, but it hurts you more with tightly packed foots than with anything else except ghouls maybe. Only ghouls can heal.

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I don't think LT is the best map, but I'm definetaly best at it. The one map I HATE is Plains of Snow. I always lose there.

Plains of Snow used to be my favorite map in War2. I had some great games on the map. I haven't played too much of it on War3 because I never play team games above four players and I dont FFA alot.

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I do enjoy LT quite a bit, but humans have a slight creep advantage early on because of the gnolls, most of them around the pool of health do pierce, a few normal. But it helps quite a bit. I also like Plunder Isle, AND Stromguarde. At first I hated Strom but it's grown on me.

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All i hear is LT, LT, LT. Geez... For 1v1 my best maps are Scorched Basin(I don't know but i seem to try alot harder on that map than on any other). Tranquil Paths is another cause it best supports my style of play. The third is Gnoll Wood, another map i do great on. Just gotta learn my new ud build on those maps. For my worst maps, that would be non-ladder maps cause i'm not use to them and of course FrostSabre! Omg i hate frostsabre i do horrible on that map even though i never lost on it.

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You like big maps huh. So you must not like alot of interaction. I will remember this next time I play you.

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Haha... Maybe i should stop posting on threads like these. Meno is starting to understand what goes on through the mind of whoa during a game . Anyway i like the small maps just as much as the big, nearly all my ladder games ended in like 13:00 minutes, i micro best in small battles and whoever said the undead can't harrass . Maybe i gotta start taking a different approach with you meno, your winning streak has come to an end .

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Quote:
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Haha... Maybe i should stop posting on threads like these. Meno is starting to understand what goes on through the mind of whoa during a game . Anyway i like the small maps just as much as the big, nearly all my ladder games ended in like 13:00 minutes, i micro best in small battles and whoever said the undead can't harrass . Maybe i gotta start taking a different approach with you meno, your winning streak has come to an end .

Who did say the UD cant harass anyway? I wanna laugh at that moron.
And in TFT, you cant harass the UD back either

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The public and stuff zak, hey come on to classic so i can watch you 1v1 meno!

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I seem to do good on DW and LT. I do horribly on HM.

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The public and stuff zak, hey come on to classic so i can watch you 1v1 meno!

You know the public is stupid.......UD are probably the best harassers, with a DK and a few ghouls.

You should get Rise of Nations and play a real strategy game

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My favorite Ladder maps are Lost Temple, Plunder Isle and Legends.

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I like timbermaw hold or whats it name it got dragons. but my favorite is helms deep realistic, and ww2 blietzkrieg them maps are awsome

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You should get Rise of Nations and play a real strategy game

Or just StarCraft:BroodWar.

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Velentris on Shadowsong

How many of you played a map on Drywater gulch? If you havent, you should play me sometime. It's my favorite map, but no one ever wants to play me.

I also like Ice Crown, but it's only for gigantic team games, which never happen.

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Plains of Snow and Stromguarde really tick me off. PoS (aka Piece of Shit ) is a predictable enemy map where I find myself in situations of tower rushing and limited creeping. Netime that I have to use siege to get to a damn goldmine really pisses me off. Stromguarde is just the opposite, but just as crappy. Although there is alot of creeping, there is no chance of rushing. Games in Stromguarde are long and horrendous, you get a frickin' free expo for gosh sakes.

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Or just StarCraft:BroodWar.

RoN nukes look sooooooooooooooooo much cooler than SC nukes though



And you know as well as I do that a games quality is determined by its graphics

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Ya know what i find odd? In War2 the vast majority said that GoW was their favorit map. It allowed more strategy then any other war2 map... yet in war3 its hardly mentioned. What changed?

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Ya know what i find odd? In War2 the vast majority said that GoW was their favorit map. It allowed more strategy then any other war2 map... yet in war3 its hardly mentioned. What changed?

Gameplay. War3 is abut micro and smaller armies, and GoW is freaking huge.

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The fact that most people play ladder and cant play GoW on it might also be a factor.

Zak: I hope you didnt mean that, because you can give me whichever fackin graphics you want and I will still take StarCraft over a game with RoC "strategy". When concering RoN...it hardly works and is a bit confusing and I havent got multiplayer and I will spend my money on blizz games. Besides, Im like "this" far from making it into Norwegian National Team in StarCraft, and I dont feel like giving up now.

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Actually, I was joking about the graphics

It does have quite a bit of strategy though. Actual unit couners for one, as well as terrin usage and borders and cool stuff.

It loses a lot of strategy in super late game where the economies are huge enough to fuel and endless stream of guys marching to battl, but in serious games someone always loses before that point. So I'd suggest a least trying the demo. Its also a differant way of playing, which I find refreshing after so many blizzard games

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