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frost nova is good, but i have never used the lich with undead... anyone find it useful?

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one time in hero arena, i had like 3 pendents and was in a duel. I kept making water elementals and eventually killed his dwarven mountain king

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chain lightning kicks ass, i just wish frost nova did more...or at least spreaded more....

shockwave owns chain lightning as it can hit wya more people therefore doing way nmore dmg. In late game level 3 it can domolish through like over 20 units at one time its real good

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i could see how having that much mana would do good water elementals are fun

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frost nova sucks...it doesn't do nearly enough damage to make a difference.


the lich in genereal sucks, i wish he acually had offense of some sort.

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Frost Nova should be an AoE spell

Then lich would probably be better.

now it's kinda like a superpowerful death coil without the heal

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Frost Nova should be an AoE spell

Then lich would probably be better.

now it's kinda like a superpowerful death coil without the heal


I agree he should get a cool aoe spell like blizzard and really show people how a superior being such as himself should operate

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and he should still summon the frost wyrm like he did in the biginning

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well, i just wish it covered more ground, and like froze the units or something....


and what the hell does AoE mean? (i dont follow slang)

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well, i just wish it covered more ground, and like froze the units or something....


and what the hell does AoE mean? (i dont follow slang)


AoE means area of effect a spell like blizzard Basically the lich needs some retooling ack inthe beta early stage he owned other UD heros now hes crap IMO

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area of effect. And contrary to what kotg said, i meant a small area of effect like war stomp. and the frost wyrm would be instead of frost shield i think...

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i like being able to build a frost wyrm, but i wish you could summon multible units with multible corpses...like origanally the aboms were able to be summoned from 3 corpses or some such.

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i like being able to build a frost wyrm, but i wish you could summon multible units with multible corpses...like origanally the aboms were able to be summoned from 3 corpses or some such.


ya it would be cool if u could fuse untis together to get aboms That would kick so much ass

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Would be cool...

Everyone agrees there are some small balance issues still in the game, right?

What do you think those are and how can they be fixed?

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3ghouls= 1 abom, that was what was originally planned.

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ya, that would be better then building aboms..

and, what if the fused unit automatically gets full life, you have 5 ghols fighting, they are about to die, and you get one abom with full life....

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You know jack, not only the abom, but the entire Race of ud were supposed to get all there units from corpses, but they decided that would be difficult considering ud vs ud

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ya, that would be better then building aboms..

and, what if the fused unit automatically gets full life, you have 5 ghols fighting, they are about to die, and you get one abom with full life....

ya thats probally y they took it out as it would be pretty unbalcned that way cause 1 full abom is way better then 3 dying ghouls this would be absed so bad

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no, that would acually balance it more so, to make up for the weakness of hero spells....the undead are just lacking a good edge.

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true, i do find it difficult to control ud early game, its hard to survive grunts and so early game:\

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no, that would acually balance it more so, to make up for the weakness of hero spells....the undead are just lacking a good edge.


So yur saying u would like to fight UD say 30 ghouls and when those ghouls alnost die they get 10 aboms. Man u would get wasted so bad dude It would be SOOOOO unbalanced in my view

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i think it was planned that the average of the ghoul life would make the ud, so ghouls really injured say 50 hlth each would be 150 on 250 on the abom or somethin.

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grunts? try surviving a tauran chieftan!


no, the undead dont have a defense (i know they have a great static one) but hte money put into towers, keeps you from getting a good army.

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heh yea, i got tower rushed once, i was stuck about 30 min in game cause the whore kept killing my meaties, Lol was funny though, my ally(grom? i think) was killing there bases while they tried to kill me, lol pretty funny

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grunts? try surviving a tauran chieftan!


no, the undead dont have a defense (i know they have a great static one) but hte money put into towers, keeps you from getting a good army.


When i play UD i always find myself with oodles upon oodles of cash. I ahve no problem teching punping ghouls and making spirit towrs. Might be sjut me

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that is a good point though, i can keep creating ghoulies while at the same time teching to lvl3 for aboms/necros/frosties.

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well, make the upgrade of fusing really really expensive for balanceing perposes.


well, i generally dont pump out ghouls i usually nevre use them period.

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well, make the upgrade of fusing really really expensive for balanceing perposes.


well, i generally dont pump out ghouls i usually nevre use them period.

i dont c how u can win without ghouls... dont u get mad rushed some times while yur furiously teching??? and i gues u never rush then

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The undead and probably humans need to be made stronger most likely.
The NE should be a little weaker and harder.

And then there's balance within races...

the DMK is the weakest human hero initially, and should be stregnthened probably with the AM being weakened.

the steam tanks should sacrifice some stregnth to the gyrocopters.

the orc farseer is a little weak probably the blademaster should be weakened

the shamen needs to share his power with the raiders and witch doctors.

undead need DL faster and stronger, lich stronger for start, and DK stronger too.

maybe some unit balancing too... like abom stronger?

NE... potm stronger, DH weaker.

hunt weaker, dotc stronger?

ect.

tell me anyother ideas you have

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fuses were free but that would balance it..raising the price i mean

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If i was blizzard i would cut its range hp dmg and length its cool down that will teach those hunt massing bitches!!

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well, thats why i suck at wc3 in general


i think crypts are the prime of the UD, they kick ass against flyying, can steal life, and do fair damage+ great defense.

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well, thats why i suck at wc3 in general


i think crypts are the prime of the UD, they kick ass against flyying, can steal life, and do fair damage+ great defense.


Ya but u cant realy on just ranged crap as they tend to get killed easily without meat shields. Mass grunts would own yur crypts like whoa

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crypts are very sweet but i wouldnt mind one ranged, possibly like Um...a rock throwing thing

ps.crypts leech!??!

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folder icon   10-05-2002, 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by Thorn969
The undead and probably humans need to be made stronger most likely.
The NE should be a little weaker and harder.

And then there's balance within races...

the DMK is the weakest human hero initially, and should be stregnthened probably with the AM being weakened.

the steam tanks should sacrifice some stregnth to the gyrocopters.

the orc farseer is a little weak probably the blademaster should be weakened

the shamen needs to share his power with the raiders and witch doctors.

undead need DL faster and stronger, lich stronger for start, and DK stronger too.

maybe some unit balancing too... like abom stronger?

NE... potm stronger, DH weaker.

hunt weaker, dotc stronger?

ect.

tell me anyother ideas you have


I don't like those

Seriously, keep talking like that of the arch-mage and you'll get your ass whooped...by a water elemental

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