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First of all, plz dont falme or spam on this topic, it is meant for seirus discusion on this topic. oh, and this is sc:brood

Lets start with the overall coolness of the games. I think starcraft wins, but barely. I think starcraft all in all had cooler units, and a cooler storyline, what with the rampant betrayals and dark queens. War 3 has some awesme moments, like the end orc cinimatic, but nothing can beat "for once, i grow weary of the slaughter" line at the end of brood.

Next up, strategy. This one is very close, with them doing very differant things. Starcraft, imo, had much better overall strategy. The early game was frantic, and vs better player was extremely fun..... Picture this: Your protoss, you just scouted out the enimy base. Your rush in with 6 zealots, but he already has siege tanks. Just then, a few marines and medics get to your base. Your cannons and a few dark templar beat them off, but barely. You begin to tech. There is a massive air battle over the enimy's second base, with you haveing carrriers and corsairs and him having wriaths and Battlecriusers. You win, and send the remaining guys over his defence to kill off his mining guys. You dark templar swarm his second base, GG goes around and he quits.
Yet war3 has its own startgy, more foucesed on the battlefield.... picture this: You are night elf. Your enimy is orc. You send a deamon hunter and a few archers over creeping, and meet his tauron and his grunts. You manaburn his hero, and then TP away. After moonwelling, you and some huntresses attack his expansion. He TP's in, and a deciding battle is faought. You foucus your attacks on his hero, and he war stomps you. After his hero goes down you fight with his grunts, but the are winning. Before you go you owl thingie a tree next to his base. Them game goes on, You now have dryads and some druid of the claws, and he has taruons and shamans. he is attacking your expansion, you are defending it. Even with dispel magic and bera form, your empressive force is overun. Your expansion is killed. You had however, biult some huntresses and dryads at your base, and kill of his force. You imidiatly swarm his base, and win. Yeah, starcraft and war3 strategy is a tough call

Next lets go on to graphics. Yes i know that war3 has much better 3d graphics then starcraft, but this is still a compition. Starcrafts units had been renderd in 3d b4 making the transition to sprites, and still look very good. I think that starcrafts units have more personallity then the war3 units, which in my opinion were kinda bland. War3 however, has much better surondings, with many graphical touches (swaying weeds, lilly pads) that bring out the world in a way that starcraft couldn't.

Sound on the 2 games are both exeptional. I really liked the music score on starcraft, and the unit responces. But the sound effects really start to grate on me after a while. War3's music isn't quite as good, imo, but the sound effects haven't started to grate yet.


So in conclusion, im still not sure. Starcraft remains my favorite game of all time, but i play war3 more. Not to mention war3's map editor is amazing. I'm sure all of you have opinions, so post away (oh and BTW did anyone actually read all of that?)

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A good post beside your picture this's which would never happen.

As it stands war3 is a better game right now, but relative to its time... Starcraft is 100x better.

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I would have to go with War3...

I personally think there is much more strategy involved in wc3, since massing won't work (unless its earl hunt, which is lame ).

Music wise, War3 is much cooler, the orc and NE music just kick ass

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A good post beside your picture this's which would never happen.
???????? does anyone else get that sentance?

any way how could you think war3 has better music than starcraft ..... ..... sigh....

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sorry to say but, sc has nilch for strategy IMO, for a blizzard game wc3 has the best strategy so far, but for RTS games id rate in this order for strategy.

1:Age Of Empires 2
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:| imo. wc3 is close with aoe2 though. but still has a way to go.

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sorry to say but, sc has nilch for strategy IMO, for a blizzard game wc3 has the best strategy so far, but for RTS games id rate in this order for strategy.

1:Age Of Empires 2
2:Warcraft 3
3:Starcraft

:| imo. wc3 is close with aoe2 though. but still has a way to go.


HAHAHAHAHA, aoe 2 strategy, thats the funniest thing I have heard in a long while. How can you even say Starcraft doesnt have strategy, every move you make in SC revolves around strategy. When you choose to build an extra SCV instead of a marine with your 50 minerals, thats strategy, and those are the little things. As for Blatant I meant that the scenarios you created (archers and DH meeting tauren and leaving dark templay in your home base instead of attacking with them.) are unrealistic.

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I'm still not sure what you mean...... In starcraft scenerio i meant that you biult them while air battle was going on, not had them from begining. And in War3 one y wouldn't DH+archers fight a Chieftan with some grunts? its happend to me

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maybe that big chunky piece of ass is blocking your vision, but if you think aoe2 doesnt have strat then your mistaken.

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Ahhh, you meant TC and grunts. Oops, but still the SC situations arent realistic but thats beside the point.

As for you gnome, what do you consider strategy?? Teching every game you play, cause thats all people do in AOE.

BTW there must be a tauren ass blocking your vision if you cant see the strategy in SC.

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well....... the BCs flying over the defence isn't realistic, but the rest is....... isnt it? am i going insane? is the world falling apart? im a randomly saying things that have no meaning?

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i wouldnt call massing a strategy, and There probably is strategy, but no one uses it.

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i wouldnt call massing a strategy, and There probably is strategy, but no one uses it.

You wont believe how many times I had to say this on these forums:

BGH doesnt not equal Starcraft
BGH doesnt not equal Starcraft
BGH doesnt not equal Starcraft
BGH doesnt not equal Starcraft
BGH doesnt not equal Starcraft
BGH doesnt not equal Starcraft
BGH doesnt not equal Starcraft
BGH doesnt not equal Starcraft
BGH doesnt not equal Starcraft

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LOL! great topic, made me laugh... who would actually debate such a thing?

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Starcraft wins, besides being the best Blizzard game, War3 borrowed a lot of aspects from Starcraft, so Starcraft was more original. But I haven't Starcraft since the very day Warcraft III came out, so, Warcraft III is awsome, just that Starcraft is better.

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wow, i laughed again

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Who would debate this ? i would, and you can shove it up your hairy orc ass . Anyway, whats with the BGH bashing? sure...... most people who play it just mass 1 guy 45m in, but i have had some awesume games on that map. Thats y i mainly play with people i know arn't asses. And whats with the 2 Hellscream thing? 1 undead and 1 orc...... it confuses me

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Starcraft wins, besides being the best Blizzard game, War3 borrowed a lot of aspects from Starcraft, so Starcraft was more original. But I haven't Starcraft since the very day Warcraft III came out, so, Warcraft III is awsome, just that Starcraft is better.

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Hey alexander watzzisname invented the phone. And your mobile phone company borrowed aspects from it. Which do you prefer now? The old phones or the new one? Same concept here bout originality. War3 rules.

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LOL! great topic, made me laugh... who would actually debate such a thing?

Ha, yeah your right the answer is so obvious.

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Ha, yeah your right the answer is so obvious.

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Errmm, right... Isnt there some unspoken rule of not insulting other forumers with phrases such as "you have no life"

I mean really, that was just retarded.

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Errmm, right... Isnt there some unspoken rule of not insulting other forumers with phrases such as "you have no life"

I mean really, that was just retarded.

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Starcraft was really cool but got ruined by thousands of players rushing carriers on $$$ hunters and such...the single-player experience with cinematics just doesnt ensure exceptional multiplay. Im not sayin multiplay in SC was bad, it was great, but i find war 3 with heroes and better strategies + scenarios much more single/multi combo.

I think war3 leads in graphics (duh!) and overall mood with music, while sc had good sf feel and sfx. As for cinematix, i still like Diablo 2 ones much more than any other blizz game - at least they fit in nicely (not LOD).

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If you like strategy beyond moving lots of guys however, just dont play $$$ maps and SC rather fun.

AOE is the same...some ppl may tech, but thats like massing on BGH.

AOE and the craft games focus on 2 differant things, from my point of view.

AOE is about macro management, expanding and getting resuorces, controlling armies etx, while the craft games are about micro, using spells and such to turn the tide of battle while you have smaller armies.

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true that is but I wish people in SC realized that;(

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Some do. The prob is you need to dig past all the crap to get to the good stuff in both games.

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yep:\ under all that shit, and the crap, and the poop, and the ass, there is finally a Gold nugget.

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as game i do it liek this :

1st Warcraft II
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I like Warcraft 3 the best. It has good gameplay, and great varieties of maps. The ladder is very good, i havent played ladder in any other blizz game.

Warcraft 2 strategy wise was better than starcraft. Starcraft had some features that were better, but War2 BNE added them, so I was happy then, even though i stopped playing war2 pretty much when that happened.

You could micro in war2 and win. Starcraft didnt have much of that, and if you tried, you normally were beaten by the masses of units. In order to win, ya had to have a huge defense and a huge mass of attack force, and If you didnt, you normally lost. Not much room for change there.

So i'd vouch for War3, then War2, then Starcraft. I would love to see a war3 type starcraft game, it would be a lot better than the origonal IMO

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Except for when 6 zealots and 2 templar beat 20 hydras. Or when 5 tanks and 6 vultures beat 15 dragoons. Or when A surprise of guardians raped an out post of tanks. Or flying marines. Or a dozen of other micro's in starcraft. So tell me again SC has no micro management.

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you just mentioned beating massers :\ ITS easy to do that, tell me when you find a decent person ladder or melee that actually plays, not masses like a dork.

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Except for when 6 zealots and 2 templar beat 20 hydras. Or when 5 tanks and 6 vultures beat 15 dragoons. Or when A surprise of guardians raped an out post of tanks. Or flying marines. Or a dozen of other micro's in starcraft. So tell me again SC has no micro management.

ill tell you again: SC has no micro.

I playd that game for about 2 years... I never once met a person that didn't mass. seriously. The most varried armies contained maybe 3 dif. units MAX. And I never saw one effective spell caster strat.

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Except for when 6 zealots and 2 templar beat 20 hydras. Or when 5 tanks and 6 vultures beat 15 dragoons. Or when A surprise of guardians raped an out post of tanks. Or flying marines. Or a dozen of other micro's in starcraft. So tell me again SC has no micro management.

most ppl in starcraft who massed did it with a billion units... like 24 goliaths and 12 tanks.... or 48 hydralisks.... it was hard to find decent opponents on b.net that did not mass

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the only thing i played on SC were the custom maps

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folder icon   10-29-2002, 09:15 PM
hey! something i didn't mention Post #35
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Yeah, the UMS's were awesume (GO MATRIX H!) but war3 UMS's are even better!!!!!!!!!!

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